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    Quote Originally Posted by HadEnough2 View Post
    Trump's own Sec. of State Mike Pompeo has stated that there is no evidence that Iran has reneged on the deal. This is about undoing everything Obama has done. It has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with personal vendettas. The man is sick and dangerous.
    I think it was back in 2013 that President Obama issued a proclamation praising "motherhood, apple pie, and the Fourth of July".

    That's the NEXT thing that Obama did which President Trump is planning to un-do.

    And he's going to say it was "totally un-American" for Obama to do that.

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    Trump torpedoed the deal because he's a fucking idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing. It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I agree with you on most things, but Netanyahu is one I strongly disagree with. He is as bad for Israel as Trump is for the US.
    You are correct that we disagree on this. I do not approve of everything he does, but Netanyahu keeps Israel safe. National security in the U.S. is as much a political football as a real issue; in Israel, it is life-and-death on a daily basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    [Netanyahu] ... did no favor to Israel by killing those 2000 men,women and children.
    They all died as a result of Israeli self-defense versus Hamas - the fault of Hamas, not Israel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    You are correct that we disagree on this. I do not approve of everything he does, but Netanyahu keeps Israel safe. National security in the U.S. is as much a political football as a real issue; in Israel, it is life-and-death on a daily basis.


    They all died as a result of Israeli self-defense versus Hamas - the fault of Hamas, not Israel.

    How about that...something we actually agree upon.

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    Trump got us out of a terrible deal. It is that simple. Its beyond appalling that we would enter a deal where only one side of it has to be held up, where only one side is held to any real account. More appalling is that along with this awful deal we (Obama) sent this murderous regime 150 billion dollars...

    After Israel exposed Iran's real objectives one would hope at least some idiots would wake up and see just how appalling this deal is.

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    the 150 billios you mentioned are money belonging go Iran and whcih was frozen because of the sanctions..... The way you report it is misleading...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Trump torpedoed the deal because he's a fucking idiot and doesn't have a clue what he's doing. It's that simple.
    If he goes to war, then he can cancel Mueller for the duration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Trump got us out of a terrible deal. It is that simple. Its beyond appalling that we would enter a deal where only one side of it has to be held up, where only one side is held to any real account. More appalling is that along with this awful deal we (Obama) sent this murderous regime 150 billion dollars...

    After Israel exposed Iran's real objectives one would hope at least some idiots would wake up and see just how appalling this deal is.
    Even Mike Pompeo testified to Congress that Iran was adhering to the terms of the agreement.

    So, you just called Mike Pompeo, our new Secretary of State, an idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    If he goes to war, then he can cancel Mueller for the duration...
    It does make me wonder about that. Most people dont "bother" or "distract" a president during a time of war. So is it possible a conflict could indeed delay anything Mueller says? Certainly might not make the media that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Israel has no interest in attacking Iran or proxies except as self-protection. Iran is a terror state, by virtue of ... well, supporting and arming terrorists with the object of attacking and destroying Israel.
    Kinda sorta. Iran routinely provides hostile nations and agencies the means to fire pot-shots at Israel. But while Iran is undoubtedly in possession of heavy-duty non-nuclear weapons, they've never exported them to be used against Israel.

    Despite their rhetoric, Iran doesn't actually want to destroy Israel. If they did, they'd lose their best scapegoat. So they talk up the threats. They provide Hezbollah and Hamas with low-level weaponry. But they stop well-short of the line that would trigger a massive retaliation from Israel. Iran's leadership isn't stupid; they know there's no profit to be made in engaging in war on their own soil. So they talk the talk, and the walk only much of the walk as is needed to keep up appearances with Iranian leadership hardliners.

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