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    Why Trump torpedoed Obama’s Iran deal

    Why? Because he's the war mongering Idiot in Chief...he wants blood, and a military parade.

    Why Trump torpedoed Obama’s Iran deal
    ...Unlike in October, Trump’s Cabinet put up little resistance to a decision many viewed as a fait accompli, given the president’s March firing of two key Iran deal defenders: Tillerson and national security adviser H.R. McMaster. In their place, Trump installed two hawks and staunch critics of the Iran deal: Bolton and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

    “Everyone’s on the same page now,” said one White House official, noting that Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, whose department oversees economic sanctions, also shared the president’s instincts to withdraw, even though doing so was expected to have economic ramifications. Mattis, perhaps realizing he was outnumbered after the ouster of Tillerson, refrained from aggressively rehashing his earlier opposition, said the White House official who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

    In recent weeks, administration officials have been strategizing over how to manage the economic fallout, including possible spikes in oil prices, and have prepared a number of contingencies, a White House official said.

    Trump’s decision opens up a deep rift with U.S. allies in Europe who for months have been locked in painstaking staff-level talks with their American counterparts, led by Brian Hook, director of policy planning at the State Department. The French, German, British and U.S. delegations held monthly meetings in an effort to find common ground and avoid sparking a new conflict in the Middle East.

    On Tuesday, the leaders of the three European governments issued a joint statement saying they “regret” the American decision and vowed to continue to abide by the agreement.

    Trump’s decision to impose sanctions on companies that do business with Iran, after a brief grace period, has set off a scramble in European capitals as they seek to protect their companies from punitive U.S. measures. If European companies stop all commerce with Iran, experts fear that Tehran may conclude that the deal is of little value and resume developing its nuclear program.


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    AP FACT CHECK: Trump vs. truth on the Iran nuclear deal

    AP FACT CHECK: Trump vs. truth on the Iran nuclear deal
    In withdrawing the U.S. from the Iran nuclear deal, President Donald Trump outlined a rationale that contradicted the analyses of U.S. and foreign intelligence sources. A look at his remarks Tuesday, announcing that the U.S. was getting out of the deal and re-imposing sanctions that had been lifted in return for curbs on Iran's nuclear program:

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    The thing which is important to remember is the fact that there is no way in the treaty with Iran to pullout unilaterally.... There is a system in it to solve difficulties and a commission is established to know about situations Iran violating its commitments. from a legal point of view president Trump pulling out form this Treaty is illegal and violates international law. So it is a cowboy method the way Trump did pullout. The consequence will be that countries involved in this Treaty and many others will consider that the USA cannot be trusted. And it is very damaging for the leadership of the USA and will have conséquences which may go far beyond the Treaty itself. Actually there are moves to challenge the supremacy of dollar as an international currency and if the USA are not to be trusted, the dollar will not be so easily accepted as an international mean of payment. The countries which have a lot of dollars are already trying to diversify and this trend is dangerous because if it goes too far, the US treasury will have difficulties to issue more dollars jsut to cover trade deficit and to have them absorbed by the world market. The result may be that the US will have to find other ways to cover their trade deficit, which means a weakening of the dollar toward other currencies and probably inflation in the US. It is also damaging for the future of the Korean negotiation, because what will be worth an agreement if the US are able to violate commitments because a president is just replaced by another one ? The conclusion is that it is unsafe to deal with the US because you are never sure that treaties are to be respected.

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    He is as thick as a brick:

    TRUMP: "This disastrous deal gave this regime — and it's a regime of great terror — many billions of dollars, some of it in actual cash. A great embarrassment to me as a citizen, and to all citizens of the United States."

    THE FACTS: It's not true that world powers paid billions to Iran. The deal allowed Iran to regain access to its own money, which had been frozen abroad as part of the sanctions that were lifted. As for Iran specifically getting some cash, that refers to a debt the U.S. had with Iran dating to the rupture in relations in the 1970s. Iran, under the shah, had paid the U.S. some $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the Islamic revolution cut off ties.
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    It destabilizes Iran. Iran was welcomed back into the international community and EU and other world nations were trading with Iran.

    Now any actions by Iran...that were not part of the JCPOA will be touted by Trump as...See, I told you so.

    Any sanctions on the economy will cause runs on banking and cause internal destabilization.

    It also frees up Israel to strike Iran and proxies without jeopardizing scrutiny. With Iran labeled a terror state makes it easier for Israel to take military actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    It also frees up Israel to strike Iran and proxies without jeopardizing scrutiny. With Iran labeled a terror state makes it easier for Israel to take military actions.
    Israel has no interest in attacking Iran or proxies except as self-protection. Iran is a terror state, by virtue of ... well, supporting and arming terrorists with the object of attacking and destroying Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Israel has no interest in attacking Iran or proxies except as self-protection. Iran is a terror state, by virtue of ... well, supporting and arming terrorists with the object of attacking and destroying Israel.
    You are right Ian.

    Netanyahu wants the US to attack Iran. He has been trying his best for years. One of the reasons Obama gave him a cold shoulder. Trump and Bolton are dumb enough to do it.

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    You are right Ian.
    Well, I am glad we got that cleared up.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Netanyahu wants the US to attack Iran.
    Netanyahu wants Israel to be safe from Iran and its proxies, which is unlikely to say the least as long as Iran remains a theocratic dictatorship bent on destroying Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Well, I am glad we got that cleared up.


    Netanyahu wants Israel to be safe from Iran and its proxies, which is unlikely to say the least as long as Iran remains a theocratic dictatorship bent on destroying Israel.
    I agree with you on most things, but Netanyahu is one I strongly disagree with. He is as bad for Israel as Trump is for the US.

    I would love to see Israel led by a leader like they used to have. Netanyahu clings to power the same way Trump came in. By fear and anger. He did no favor to Israel by killing those 2000 men,women and children.

    You think I am attacking Israel when I go after Bibi. I am doing quite the opposite. Israel would be a much better Country without Netanyahu in power. I saw what Moderate Leaders could do..
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    Trump's own Sec. of State Mike Pompeo has stated that there is no evidence that Iran has reneged on the deal. This is about undoing everything Obama has done. It has nothing to do with policy and everything to do with personal vendettas. The man is sick and dangerous.
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