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    Meaning if one is a parent and their child is sick, the parent uses their own time off to care for the child. So by the time the parent gets sick often times they have no sick time off. For example, I remember my daughter getting chicken pox and I had to take 5 days off, that was all the sick time I had at the time so I had 0 days left when I got sick.
    My kids had chicken pox, one right after the other. I met my boss every evening to hand off work, and pick up new work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Meaning if one is a parent and their child is sick, the parent uses their own time off to care for the child. So by the time the parent gets sick often times they have no sick time off. For example, I remember my daughter getting chicken pox and I had to take 5 days off, that was all the sick time I had at the time so I had 0 days left when I got sick.
    It can also contribute to the previously mentioned stigma of somebody who takes a lot of sick time with the appearance of it not being necessary. Even if someone has sick time on the books and they take 5 days off to care for their child then 2 weeks later Take 5 days off for themselves, in a lot of office settings there's going to be sideways glances and doubting coworkers that the time off was really needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    It can also contribute to the previously mentioned stigma of somebody who takes a lot of sick time with the appearance of it not being necessary. Even if someone has sick time on the books and they take 5 days off to care for their child then 2 weeks later Take 5 days off for themselves, in a lot of office settings there's going to be sideways glances and doubting coworkers that the time off was really needed.
    No doubt. Lets face it, for the most part, the majority of our occupations are competitive. There is always someone younger and eager to move in and up. So it makes it tough if you either fall ill for an extended time or have kids and you need to take time off. Someone is always there waiting to take advantage.
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    No doubt. Lets face it, for the most part, the majority of our occupations are competitive. There is always someone younger and eager to move in and up. So it makes it tough if you either fall ill for an extended time or have kids and you need to take time off. Someone is always there waiting to take advantage.
    That's totally true. But it's also sometimes put upon us by ourselves. In an ultra-competitive business or field, it's easy to think that if I take a month of vacation time off to take my kids on a cross-country road trip and I return and the business survives just fine, how necessary am I to the company or organization?

    This is a very American attitude to have though. It also is one of the reasons why American workers often don't take the vacation time that they've earned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    That's totally true. But it's also sometimes put upon us by ourselves. In an ultra-competitive business or field, it's easy to think that if I take a month of vacation time off to take my kids on a cross-country road trip and I return and the business survives just fine, how necessary am I to the company or organization?

    This is a very American attitude to have though. It also is one of the reasons why American workers often don't take the vacation time that they've earned.
    Absolutely. My in laws have always said "Americans live to work while the rest of the western world works to live." Its sad but true. We kill ourselves and somehow convince ourselves we are necessary. Bit of a side note, years ago when my spouse was younger, he worked at MIT and was friended by an elderly, near retirement scientist. He said how he had accomplished all these wonderful advancements and work but now as he was retiring, he was essentially being replaced by youth who totally knew more due to technology than he ever did. He said it was gratifying but really humbled him as he realized the place would go on without him. Its never left my spouses mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    What bugs me even more is when people do have sick time and STILL come to work! lol Its like "go home" and they feel like the office will stop if they arent there. These are the same people who never take a day off or vacation...Saw where the US has the most workers with time available but dont take it. Crazy.
    I have taken 1 sick day in the last 2+ years and currently have 344 days of vacation in my bank but that is all about to change. I'm going to take a week off every month for the next 4 months just for the hell of it (and to go fishing). I will still have about 170 hrs left to get me to the end of the year. I am the guy you are describing above and the office would pretty well stop without me until recently. I get 5 weeks per year and usually carry over a couple hundred hrs and have decided to start using them.
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    Absolutely. My in laws have always said "Americans live to work while the rest of the western world works to live." Its sad but true. We kill ourselves and somehow convince ourselves we are necessary. Bit of a side note, years ago when my spouse was younger, he worked at MIT and was friended by an elderly, near retirement scientist. He said how he had accomplished all these wonderful advancements and work but now as he was retiring, he was essentially being replaced by youth who totally knew more due to technology than he ever did. He said it was gratifying but really humbled him as he realized the place would go on without him. Its never left my spouses mind.
    We had a retirement celebration recently for a departing co-worker. He's one of those guys who doesn't seek attention and never wants the spotlight on him. When he was finally coaxed to say a few words he reluctantly spoke about ten sentences. The main message was to his direct co-workers about safety on the job and going home healthy to your family at the end of the day. He ended it though saying roughly: "I like, and even love, a lot of the people I've had the pleasure to work with over the years. But never forget that the reason you come to work every day is not for them, management, contractors, customers or end users. The reason you come to work is for the people you leave at home each morning."
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    We had a retirement celebration recently for a departing co-worker. He's one of those guys who doesn't seek attention and never wants the spotlight on him. When he was finally coaxed to say a few words he reluctantly spoke about ten sentences. The main message was to his direct co-workers about safety on the job and going home healthy to your family at the end of the day. He ended it though saying roughly: "I like, and even love, a lot of the people I've had the pleasure to work with over the years. But never forget that the reason you come to work every day is not for them, management, contractors, customers or end users. The reason you come to work is for the people you leave at home each morning."
    Thats reminiscent of Barbara Bush's commencement address she gave in the early 90s where she said something like "your bosses and managers are unlikely to be with you at the end to hold your hand, always remember your family at the end of the day."
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    Ok, it is a funny cartoon, but raises a relevant point - i.e., the stupidity of expecting people to go to work sick. It delays recovery, and gets other people sick, and in both cases reduces productivity in the long run. Most people not only cannot afford to use the sick time unless it is practically an emergency - assuming there is any PTO to begin with - and sometimes it figures negatively into performance reviews upon which raises, bonuses, &c., depend. I was even asked once in an interview (I forget what the job was) how much sick time I thought it was appropriate to take in a year. I told them I literally could not answer the question, because it was not an issue of propriety, but quick recovery and not spreading something around. Plus, of course, even a moderately serious illness (e.g., pneumonia) could require something longer than a day or two (I once had it for 1-1/2 months, but was self-employed, so I was working anyway, just at home).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_leave

    Sick leave policies in the U.S. are rather dismal, and mere use of sick leave - even assuming actual illness - diminishes one's utility in the employer's eyes (which can affect future prospects as well). What should be an appropriate sick leave policy, in terms of benefitting society as a whole?
    I work on my sick days, unless its pretty bad. Having sick days sort of loses meaning when you are working from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    What I can't believe is that an employer can force you to work any hours he chooses.

    No one should have a problem with working 8-10 or even 12 hours but to force a worker to work 14 or more 7 days is not cool.

    I was working two projects, 12 hours daily, 10 on saturday and 8 on sunday for 3 months.

    Everyone, unplanned and without the knowledge of the others, took the same weekend off.

    We came into work on Moday with the boss going ape shit. He called all of us into a meeting where he went off on us.

    He stated to everyone, that from that day forward would work 14 hour days...7 days a week was mandatory until the main project was complete.

    After the meeting, I went to my desk, packed a box with my junk and rolled my chair and junk out the door.

    I never knew that an employer can force unlimited hours work from an employee.
    A couple years ago I had a new director ask if I could take on another responsibility. I told him that since I currently worked 40hrs and came in practically every weekend for a few more just to stay ahead, no. I said you will have to add another day to the week for me to do that and you can't do that. I never hit it off terribly well with him but he's gone now and I'm not so I really didn't give a shit if he didn't like me.
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