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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    No. That is your boss's fault. That's a poor business model... okay, that's unfair. That MAY BE a poor business model. If he wants it that way and it's acceptable to him, that's fine. But the reason for any productivity drop when an employee uses their leave time that is part of their compensation package is completely the fault of the employer. That's where the responsibility lands and stays.
    In some circles for some positions, providing vacation days is an internal control function. The best way to determine if one is doing a proper job or a committing inappropriate actions is when they are not there for an extended period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    That's really interesting. I'd really like to see it done at the federal level, though, since once you move to telecommuting, the distinctions between states become even less consequential.
    It'll probably happen eventually. A lot of employment law starts out at the state level. Other states watch and if it's successful then they institute those laws too. Soon the feds look and see that 20+ states or whatever are doing it and they may as well provide a federal option too.
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    In the UK, unless your employer gives better conditions, when you go off sick you get no pay for the first three days, then you can claim statutory sick pay. It's a small amount that the employer claims back from the tax man


    If you're self employed, you can't claim statutory sick pay and your wage stops if you don't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly5 View Post
    Sounds like you have it made. Back in the 1970's, I worked for a machine shop in Houston, Texas where you had to work there 10 years to qualify for 3 weeks vacation. Oh, and you couldn't carry days over. You used them or lost them. This was not uncommon either. Tough days and tough work. I loved it and I miss it so much! After a few years, retirement sucks.
    I kinda think so too but not because of benefits, I love my job. It's extremely rewarding when you are saving the world on a daily basis and getting paid for it. I can carry over only as much time as I am given in a calendar year and that's 5 weeks after being there 25 yrs, I've been there 26. I do work overtime probably 4-8 hrs a week if in town and don't receive any compensation for it but that doesn't bother me. If someone doesn't stop by on weekends to make sure everything is running it could be a disaster come Monday morning. I don't like disasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I kinda think so too but not because of benefits, I love my job. It's extremely rewarding when you are saving the world on a daily basis and getting paid for it. I can carry over only as much time as I am given in a calendar year and that's 5 weeks after being there 25 yrs, I've been there 26. I do work overtime probably 4-8 hrs a week if in town and don't receive any compensation for it but that doesn't bother me. If someone doesn't stop by on weekends to make sure everything is running it could be a disaster come Monday morning. I don't like disasters.
    Your first words said it all. “ I love my job!” just like LeRoy and many others, love the fact you are helping others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Employers can't force such things. They can ask, but the final decision lies with the employee.
    BS! If you have invested years of your life to a company and they happen to end up with bad management the Employees in many cases have too much invested to walk away!

    Even those with great Educations and experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    No. That is your boss's fault. That's a poor business model... okay, that's unfair. That MAY BE a poor business model. If he wants it that way and it's acceptable to him, that's fine. But the reason for any productivity drop when an employee uses their leave time that is part of their compensation package is completely the fault of the employer. That's where the responsibility lands and stays.
    I have another chemist that I have been training to do what I do for the past 3-4 yrs and he is now able to hold down the fort when I'm not there. The thing is we work on exploratory compounds regularly and many of them have never before been analyzed. I've been doing this for 20+ years and even I hit brick walls from time to time. There are countless variables when developing a method to analyze a compound and experience invariably makes that job easier, you can't just teach someone to be experienced.

    There is no question that I agree with you and my company won't fold up shop if I were to leave. They may be somewhat inconvenienced for awhile but anyone can be replaced. As soon as I ever hear of someone laying down ultimatums as though we can't make it without them is when I say it's time for them to clean out their desks. I don't make those decisions but my opinion carries pretty good weight with my director.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Why should the government force employers to pay people who aren't working? The deal is, if you show up and perform an agreed upon task, you get compensated. If you don't show up, someone else does the job and they are compensated.
    Compassion? Common decency? Commonsense? Being sick is a misfortune, not a crime to be punished.

    They're sick, not skiving. You can work to live, or you can live to work. I know which I prefer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Compassion? Common decency? Commonsense? Being sick is a misfortune, not a crime to be punished.

    They're sick, not skiving. You can work to live, or you can live to work. I know which I prefer.
    And what American conservatives are interested in is a thrifty, working class, instead of discontented, lazy rabble. It is about power, nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangecat View Post
    Why should the government force employers to pay people who aren't working? The deal is, if you show up and perform an agreed upon task, you get compensated. If you don't show up, someone else does the job and they are compensated.
    The govt should be involved because we are the richest nation on earth and if you are an employer and you want to use OUR country and OUR economy to take advantage of OUR citizens that's unacceptable. You don't like the labor laws then don't be an employer or better yet take your business to some other shithole country that doesn't care about it's people.

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