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    We had a retirement celebration recently for a departing co-worker. He's one of those guys who doesn't seek attention and never wants the spotlight on him. When he was finally coaxed to say a few words he reluctantly spoke about ten sentences. The main message was to his direct co-workers about safety on the job and going home healthy to your family at the end of the day. He ended it though saying roughly: "I like, and even love, a lot of the people I've had the pleasure to work with over the years. But never forget that the reason you come to work every day is not for them, management, contractors, customers or end users. The reason you come to work is for the people you leave at home each morning."
    That is why my Son took early Returement because he felt the long hours away took from his family. He had 2 years to enjoy before the Son went off to College. The Son calls his Dad often. His Mother is not so happy but she knows her son and his Father have so much in common. Now,she retired early, too. Both happy with all their interests.

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    What I can't believe is that an employer can force you to work any hours he chooses.

    No one should have a problem with working 8-10 or even 12 hours but to force a worker to work 14 or more 7 days is not cool.

    I was working two projects, 12 hours daily, 10 on saturday and 8 on sunday for 3 months.

    Everyone, unplanned and without the knowledge of the others, took the same weekend off.

    We came into work on Moday with the boss going ape shit. He called all of us into a meeting where he went off on us.

    He stated to everyone, that from that day forward would work 14 hour days...7 days a week was mandatory until the main project was complete.

    After the meeting, I went to my desk, packed a box with my junk and rolled my chair and junk out the door.

    I never knew that an employer can force unlimited hours work from an employee.
    I must be spoiled. They're looking for people to work Memorial Day. I wrote my next boss up and said "The last time I worked a holiday, I got put on phones. I am not going to volunteer again without the assurance that I am actually here to do e-support, and not back up for phones." So far, no response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I do think working from home isnt used nearly as much as it could be. Certainly not all occupations can do this but many nowadays can. It helps numerous other issues as well. Companies should allow more to work from home.
    It's much easier for me to work when ill, since I don't have to go through all the things one goes through in order to land at a desk. No getting ready or commuting. As long as I can deliver "butt in chair," all is well. Plus, I can go to bed during breaks and lunch.

    Not even kidding.
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    When I am in my office... not often... and someone is sick. I send them home. I don't care if it's the CEO, he's going home. There is nothing they can't do from home anymore in my line of work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    It can also contribute to the previously mentioned stigma of somebody who takes a lot of sick time with the appearance of it not being necessary. Even if someone has sick time on the books and they take 5 days off to care for their child then 2 weeks later Take 5 days off for themselves, in a lot of office settings there's going to be sideways glances and doubting coworkers that the time off was really needed.
    Which is why they should apply for FMLA every single time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post


    Ok, it is a funny cartoon, but raises a relevant point - i.e., the stupidity of expecting people to go to work sick. It delays recovery, and gets other people sick, and in both cases reduces productivity in the long run. Most people not only cannot afford to use the sick time unless it is practically an emergency - assuming there is any PTO to begin with - and sometimes it figures negatively into performance reviews upon which raises, bonuses, &c., depend. I was even asked once in an interview (I forget what the job was) how much sick time I thought it was appropriate to take in a year. I told them I literally could not answer the question, because it was not an issue of propriety, but quick recovery and not spreading something around. Plus, of course, even a moderately serious illness (e.g., pneumonia) could require something longer than a day or two (I once had it for 1-1/2 months, but was self-employed, so I was working anyway, just at home).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sick_leave

    Sick leave policies in the U.S. are rather dismal, and mere use of sick leave - even assuming actual illness - diminishes one's utility in the employer's eyes (which can affect future prospects as well). What should be an appropriate sick leave policy, in terms of benefitting society as a whole?
    In Russia, I know there are a whole bunch of professions that involve regular required medical checks right at the workplace.

    For example, in many schools, not only do kids get routinely checked by the nurses

    but teachers do as well

    In recent years, probably under pressure of religious hardliners and moralists from the Orthodox Church, schoolteachers, kindergarten nannies, and others who work with children are regularly checked for drug use and STDs in many regions, no joke lol

    Machinists (train operators) on the Moscow Metro (and the Metro systems of other cities) also must go through medical checks before every shift


    This includes a sobriety test

    Nobody wants drunk men driving an underground train full of passengers, obviously. And you would think it is common sense and nobody would try to get behind the controls after a bottle of vodka. But, alas, this is Russia, and shit can happen (and has), and so such checks are actually quite necessary...

    Workers in some mines and factories where they may regularly deal with materials dangerous to health are also frequently checked


    Etc. Plenty of places there MANDATE vaccination for employees too

    This is an inherited legacy of the Soviet system...

    Not sure about here in Canada. Kids can get prophylactic flu shots and such at school here (I have), but even that is not actually mandatory, I don't believe.
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    Boss Comes To Work Sick

    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    No. That is your boss's fault. That's a poor business model... okay, that's unfair. That MAY BE a poor business model. If he wants it that way and it's acceptable to him, that's fine. But the reason for any productivity drop when an employee uses their leave time that is part of their compensation package is completely the fault of the employer. That's where the responsibility lands and stays.
    Without disclosing too much, itís a high up job in a small organization, public sector. I am the only person that does my particular job in the entire city. Now if I got hit by a bus, would they figure it out? Of course. Other people in other cities do this job.

    But under normal circumstances, even cross-training a subordinate in the level of things I do would probably not save any of my time or any of my employerís money, generally speaking. Both of us are generally better off this way, where I just have to put in the extra time to grind through the backlog if I take significant time off. Ideally, my second in command could accumulate enough skills over time to be able to do greater and greater percentages of my job and maybe fill it someday, but if that position turns over, that whole process restarts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    That is a rare situation to have, to say the least. In most cases, it is the other way around.
    I realize thatís not the norm for most positions, but I doubt itís that abnormal either. A lot of people specialize, and a lot of peopleís jobs cannot just be done by any other able-bodied person as a fill-in. Some positions take months to learn, so thereís never that great of an incentive to make that training investment only for the purpose of having someone that can cover for a three week vacation or a sick week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I realize that’s not the norm for most positions, but I doubt it’s that abnormal either.
    Compared to the majority of jobs out there, it is absolutely abnormal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    It's much easier for me to work when ill, since I don't have to go through all the things one goes through in order to land at a desk. No getting ready or commuting. As long as I can deliver "butt in chair," all is well. Plus, I can go to bed during breaks and lunch.

    Not even kidding.
    I work from home part of my day and during the Summers. You are correct, when I fractured my ankle, I was off work 3 months but I never stopped working online. I think it is the reason I healed so fast and successfully. I had something to do other than wallow in misery and it kept my mind active. Some of my online employers didn't know I had fractured my ankle. It wasn't necessary to mention it. There are many opportunities to work online, teaching online, writing online courses. I am toying with working as a Scribe this Summer. The big one is medical coding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    In Russia, I know there are a whole bunch of professions that involve regular required medical checks right at the workplace.

    For example, in many schools, not only do kids get routinely checked by the nurses

    but teachers do as well

    In recent years, probably under pressure of religious hardliners and moralists from the Orthodox Church, schoolteachers, kindergarten nannies, and others who work with children are regularly checked for drug use and STDs in many regions, no joke lol

    Machinists (train operators) on the Moscow Metro (and the Metro systems of other cities) also must go through medical checks before every shift


    This includes a sobriety test

    Nobody wants drunk men driving an underground train full of passengers, obviously. And you would think it is common sense and nobody would try to get behind the controls after a bottle of vodka. But, alas, this is Russia, and shit can happen (and has), and so such checks are actually quite necessary...

    Workers in some mines and factories where they may regularly deal with materials dangerous to health are also frequently checked


    Etc. Plenty of places there MANDATE vaccination for employees too

    This is an inherited legacy of the Soviet system...

    Not sure about here in Canada. Kids can get prophylactic flu shots and such at school here (I have), but even that is not actually mandatory, I don't believe.
    Many large corporations in the US have onsite clinics. Back in the day, as a new nurse, I worked occupational health as part of the clinic I managed. I had one company who needed me 3 mornings per week and another one 1 day a week and special projects. My favorite was administering travel vaccines to executives. I would show up at their palatial offices and give the injections right at their desk...sometimes while they were on the phone. With budget cuts, school nurses have been outsourced and are becoming rare. My HS, I work as part of the school nurse team and teach in the classroom. I am not real comfortable giving flu vaccines to mass amounts of children without a medical chart in front of me...schools are not equipped in the event of a allergic reaction.
    Thanks from bajisima and Ian Jeffrey

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