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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Am I wrong to read that in my head with a “Foghorn Leghorn” accent?
    I imagined him singing like John Denver......
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    So to clarify:

    You do or do not support the relocation of the US Embassy to Jerusalem...??
    Boy, you'd like that, if I'd just spell it all out for you.

    Alas, my position is less than simple, and it is easier for the moment to oppose the patent folly of both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Boy, you'd like that, if I'd just spell it all out for you.

    Alas, my position is less than simple, and it is easier for the moment to oppose the patent folly of both sides.
    It is a tough position to be in. On one side, you clearly detest the president. On the other, he is obviously a far better friend to Israel than his predecessor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    It is a tough position to be in. On one side, you clearly detest the president. On the other, he is obviously a far better friend to Israel than his predecessor.
    It's funny when #TrumpCult can't see through the obvious pandering of their hero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Was our occupation of Bagdad legal?
    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Palestinians only want to kill.
    That's a racist statement -- akin to saying Jews only want to hoard money. Palestinians are individual human beings, and like all groups of human beings, the individual members have a large variety of different motivations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    It's funny when #TrumpCult can't see through the obvious pandering of their hero.
    Pandering? He made a promise to move the embassy when running for the office. He followed through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Pandering? He made a promise to move the embassy when running for the office. He followed through.
    Yeah, the anti-Semite who thought there were fine people chanting "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville is a true friend of Israel.

    Your blind faith in your cult leader, does it force you to be naive, ignorant or dishonest when defending him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Yeah, the anti-Semite who thought there were fine people chanting "the Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville is a true friend of Israel.

    Your blind faith in your cult leader, does it force you to be naive, ignorant or dishonest when defending him?
    Trump's a LOT of things (mostly bad ones) but I think anti-Semite is a stretch. His comments ree: Charlottesville were ridiculously inappropriate. But I don't think for one second that was about holding anti-Semitic views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    And how many of those people are alive now?
    I'm not sure. However, I'd also extend the rights to those of their descendants who actually knew them. I'm not a fan of trying to right ancient wrongs -- if we were talking about the third or fourth generation following an historical injustice, as with American slavery, better to just let it go. But this is more like the return of Jewish valuables stolen by the Nazis in WWII (e.g., the famous portrait of Adele Block Bauer by Klimt). Israel stole many of those lands in in the late 1940s, making their war crime fresher than those of the Nazis, and in some cases, the looting dates even more recently, to 1967. Someone would only need to be 51 years old to have lived in the pre-theft Palestinian lands the Israelis took in the Six Day War. So, I expect there are many who fled during those wars who are still alive and would come back if Israel were not denying them that human right.

    And should we then confiscate the property from those who have it now?
    Absolutely. I would also advocate doing so without any compensation, since they all understood they were taking land that didn't belong to them. This isn't a matter of someone buying land in due course, with a reasonable assumption of good title, a century or more after it was unjustly taken (similar to, say, someone in the Americas buying land that was wrongly taken from native people in the 19th or 18th century. It's common knowledge which areas Israel is criminally occupying today, and people who buy such lands or invest in them are knowingly trying to profit on that crime. I don't see the need to make them whole for that. That's especially true for anyone who received the land from the state as part of a settlement process. They knew what they were doing, and losing that land without compensation is just punishment for their part in that crime.

    They are not confined to any ghetto.
    They're stuck in an abjectly impoverished area subject to what is effectively a militarily-enforced quarantine, including Israel's land, air, and sea blockade of Gaza. If it makes you uncomfortable to refer to that as a ghetto, that's fine. Semantics aren't a big area of interest for me. But the underlying point is the same. They're suffering as a result of those willful human rights violations by Israel.

    Besides, what you are talking about here is the eradication of Israel, and that is not an option.
    Wrong, and wrong.

    First, I'm not talking about the eradication of Israel. I'm talking about Israel's character changing by way of ending its policy of excluding Palestinians from their homes. National characters change over time, without that meaning they've been eradicated. Israel would become a more ethnically and religious pluralistic nation, but it would remain a nation.

    Second, of course eradication of Israel is an option. Eradication of any nation is an option. Nations are a legal fiction, and they have no independent right to exist. They come and go over time. Did Czechoslovakia have a right to exist? Did the Austro-Hungarian Empire? The Republic of Texas? Yugoslavia? East Germany? I don't think any of them had a right to exist. They were just political structures that could persist or be dissolved as the people living there saw fit. Israel is no different. If most of the people with the moral right to live within the borders of what we call Israel want to perpetuate the existence of that legal fiction, that's their right. If they want to dissolve it into new political units, or merge it into a larger one, or reform it under some new name, that's their right, too. People, have rights, not countries. When we speak of the rights of a nation we're really just using a convenient short-hand for the collective rights of the people. And if those people collectively wanted to eradicate Israel, then that would be a perfectly legitimate option.

    No, it is actually a single city, and there is no "illegal occupation."
    You're welcome to call it as single city if you'd like. Again, semantics aren't a big interest for me. I'm more interested in the underlying facts. And the underlying fact is that Israel illegally occupies East Jerusalem. As a simple matter of international law, that occupation is illegal:

    BBC NEWS

    Yes. When you blame someone for "invit[ing] a violent response," you are taking responsibility away from the violent people and giving it to the non-violent ones.

    That's not my intent. I mean it in the same sense that if I were to paint a huge swastika on my car and park it in a Jewish neighborhood, I would be inviting vandalism. That wouldn't mean the vandals were justified for their crime, if they trashed my car. It just means that I'd be doing something provocative which I should expect to result in a criminal response. Those who respond criminally are wholly responsible for their crime, but at the same time, I'd have to be an idiot not to expect something nasty to happen to my car if I did that. In the same way, if anyone imagined that the US moving the embassy wouldn't result in violence, he was an idiot.
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