Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 26
Thanks Tree25Thanks

Thread: America is a vassal state of Israel

  1. #11
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    26,945
    Thanks
    5080

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    AIPAC owns the US government. That's a fact. But unlike the thing with Trump and Russia, it is "antisemitic" to discuss this one lol
    PNAC/ neocons/ AIPAC/ Israel all in the same family. Wonder what influence Kushner has on Trump? Being he is a son in law it's concerning.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbYP8FvtOQ Plan to take out seven countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSj2-GLfPuM
    Last edited by THOR; 16th May 2018 at 12:08 PM.
    Thanks from The Man

  2. #12
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    38,616
    Thanks
    23619

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Hellh0und View Post
    wait, so you think that isreal wants to expand into these countries?
    They are expanding as is, building all those settlements on occupied land in West Bank. And in Syria's Golan Heights too, I think.

  3. #13
    res
    res is offline
    Member
    Joined
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,569
    Thanks
    1102

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Why are you such a passionate supporter of Israel, anyway? You are a Serb, for God's sake...

    Israelis trafficked your people's organs from Kosovo, man, one was arrested just recently: Israeli suspect in Kosovo organ trafficking case arrested in Cyprus

    Not to mention you are siding, as mentioned before, with American neo-cons. You know, the same ones who bombed your country in the 90s?
    Many Serbs are passionate supporters of both Israel and the Jewish people. But in my case it's much simpler, I'm Jewish.

    How do you make the connection that me agreeing with Jerusalem being recognized as Israel's capital is like me condoning the invasion of Iraq which destabilized the middle east? I agree with the former decision but I profoundly disagree with the latter, as do many Israelis I know. You are making assumptions about large groups of people based on actions of a number of individuals you find representative of the people you are concentrating on because it fits your frame of understanding.

    But in the case of the OP, I don't think any strong counter-argument is needed because it is utter nonsense.
    Last edited by res; 16th May 2018 at 12:08 PM.
    Thanks from Wonderer, The Man and Ian Jeffrey

  4. #14
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    38,616
    Thanks
    23619

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    PNAC/ neocons/ AIPAC/ Israel all in the same family. Wonder what influence Kushner has on Trump? Being he is a son in law it's concerning.
    Yep... And in Russia, Putin has his oligarchs

    of whom about half are Jewish. They do not have the sort of power that AIPAC does over US government, Russia is not a democracy, and an oligarch can easily be arrested and squashed like a bug at any time: Oligarch arrested in Russia

    Nonetheless, they do have a certain influence there too. If nothing else, they do help Putin manage his allegedly huge secret fortune. And do enjoy SOME input, including on foreign policy. Many of the Jewish oligarch specifically being double Russian-Israeli citizens, such as Viktor Vekselberg

    whom I wrote about here: Mueller's team questions Russian oligarch about payments to Cohen

    Which is probably a big part of why Russia and Israel more or less keep out of each other's way in Syria, with Putin permitting Netanyahu to strike Hezbollah and such targets there when he needs to (with proper notification in advance), without Russian opposition. Which, btw, is not necessarily a bad thing, obviously. The less conflict the better, of course.

    But, the fact is, there are many rich Jews in various countries, who DO possess significant sway in their societies and governments. It is not some sort of a "Elders of Zion" conspiracy theory, and shouldn't be dismissed as such.

  5. #15
    The Un-Holy One The Man's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    38,616
    Thanks
    23619

    From
    Toronto
    Quote Originally Posted by res View Post
    Many Serbs are passionate supporters of both Israel and the Jewish people. But in my case it's much simpler, I'm Jewish.

    How do you make the connection that me agreeing with Jerusalem being recognized as Israel's capital is like me condoning the invasion of Iraq which destabilized the middle east? I agree with the former decision but I profoundly disagree with the latter, as do many Israelis I know. You are making assumptions about large groups of people based on actions of a number of individuals you find representative of the people you are concentrating on because it fits your frame of understanding.

    But in the case of the OP, I don't think any strong counter-argument is needed because it is utter nonsense.
    Wow... I guess I am somewhat shocked, because, to tell you the truth, I've literally never heard of Jewish Serbians. Never met one, online or in real world. All the ones I do know, are Orthodox, and staunch pro-Russian nationalists lmao
    Thanks from res

  6. #16
    res
    res is offline
    Member
    Joined
    Jul 2007
    Posts
    2,569
    Thanks
    1102

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Wow... I guess I am somewhat shocked, because, to tell you the truth, I've literally never heard of Jewish Serbians. Never met one, online or in real world. All the ones I do know, are Orthodox, and staunch pro-Russian nationalists lmao
    You got me laughing. Yeah, it's a small Jewish community in Serbia.

    Serbs are more divided on the West-East issue than people give them/us credit for. At least that's how I see it. What I don't like about both sides is that they use us as a pawn in their realpolitik games. That's how we usually end up saddled with dictators. Because one world superpower outplays the other. In the meantime we, the people, are getting shafted.

    I understand the plight of the Palestinians. But those people first need to get rid of Hamas if they are to have any hope of some kind of normalcy.
    But Bibi has to go as well.
    Thanks from Wonderer and The Man

  7. #17
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Jan 2007
    Posts
    26,945
    Thanks
    5080

    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    PNAC/ neocons/ AIPAC/ Israel all in the same family. Wonder what influence Kushner has on Trump? Being he is a son in law it's concerning.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbYP8FvtOQ Plan to take out seven countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSj2-GLfPuM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHt5PXyXBIs more detail and commentary.


    Then there are petro dollar issues.
    Last edited by THOR; 16th May 2018 at 12:27 PM.

  8. #18
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    64,805
    Thanks
    32869

    From
    Vulcan
    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    AIPAC owns the US government. That's a fact.

  9. #19
    Spock of Vulcan Ian Jeffrey's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2013
    Posts
    64,805
    Thanks
    32869

    From
    Vulcan
    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But, the fact is, there are many rich Jews in various countries, who DO possess significant sway in their societies and governments. It is not some sort of a "Elders of Zion" conspiracy theory, and shouldn't be dismissed as such.
    There are more than a few conspiracy theories to that effect, however.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard
    Thanks from The Man

  10. #20
    Veteran Member
    Joined
    Nov 2014
    Posts
    27,561
    Thanks
    4718

    From
    North Carolina
    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    They are expanding as is, building all those settlements on occupied land in West Bank. And in Syria's Golan Heights too, I think.
    Yeah Israel has really been doing some crazy expansion let me tell you. I guess that's why its one of the smallest countries in the world (New Jersey is bigger)....

    You would think a country that supposedly owns the most powerful government in the world according to you would be capable of a more significant expansion over nearly a century. So I think it's rather obvious that Israel is not the expansionist regime you are trying to make it out to be.

    And considering it took decades for them just to get our Government to move it's embassy to their capital....for you to suggest they own the U.S. is just absurd.
    Last edited by Jeremy; 16th May 2018 at 01:00 PM.
    Thanks from Djinn, Ian Jeffrey and Wonderer

Page 2 of 3 FirstFirst 123 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Trump wins his first state-Israel
    By bajisima in forum Current Events
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 3rd November 2016, 05:44 AM
  2. How badly does Israel need America?
    By John Lesley in forum World Politics
    Replies: 95
    Last Post: 29th April 2015, 10:32 AM
  3. Should America abandon Israel?
    By Rorschach in forum Philosophy and Religion
    Replies: 99
    Last Post: 8th December 2014, 02:47 AM
  4. Two State Solution Possible in Israel?
    By Chaze in forum Warfare
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 19th April 2010, 09:59 AM
  5. Israel: A State Built On Lies
    By Winston Smith in forum World Politics
    Replies: 337
    Last Post: 24th July 2007, 01:32 PM

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed