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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    If you think so. I am telling you no one said nothing about 2 kinds they just took money out of my check every month and I had no control to stop it other than quit
    It’d be curious to know if they duped you into paying dues that were voluntary all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    It’d be curious to know if they duped you into paying dues that were voluntary all along.
    Pfft duped?

    What an outrageous accusation!

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    What should be next for unions if Janus prevails vs. AFSCME?

    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Pfft duped?

    What an outrageous accusation!
    If someone so clearly opposed to unions and Democrats as ptif was somehow convinced to pay voluntary PAC dues for years, then he was absolutely duped. That’s not even an accusation, much less an outrageous one.

    I wonder how many people across the country unions have been duping into paying full dues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If someone so clearly opposed to unions and Democrats as ptif was somehow convinced to pay voluntary PAC dues for years, then he was absolutely duped. That’s not even an accusation, much less an outrageous one.

    I wonder how many people across the country unions have been duping into paying full dues.
    Once again, the idea you floated that Pfft can be duped is outrageous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Urbanek View Post
    It would seem that almost everything a worker needs from a union could be achieved through legislation instead: pay levels, overtime rules, safe working conditions, pension protection, etc.
    Right to work means all are individuals, join, don't join.
    Health care is cheaper for LARGE groups.
    Idivididuals are on their own !
    Really the point is, conservative can vote any way they want in the union but the appointments at the head of union will support whom they believe will support them in return.
    We don't hear Republicans cheering unions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Once again, the idea you floated that Pfft can be duped is outrageous!
    Oh. I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Yes, because Republicans have a long history of caring about Americas working class......look how many times they have raised the minimum wage and passed legislation protecting workers when they are in power.....
    Well, since there are more workers than there are bosses, one has to ask what incredibly stupid things could Democrats have done to alienate the workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That is why laws will change. In Wisconsin I was forced to join the union. Now I live in Florida and now it is a choice. There is a reason Unions are dying. Less than 15% of the labor force are in unions. I do not want to pay dues that support a political party I disagree with
    That's not really true; federal law prevents mandatory membership in a labor union. In Agency Fee payer states, while you may not be required to join a union as a condition of employment, you may be required to pay a fee equal to what your dues and initiation fees would be.

    I have no problem with people not wanting to join a union, however in right-to-work states, I take issue with people who are not members of the union, pay no fees, yet are covered by the collective bargaining agreement where, when they get into trouble the union is legally required to represent them. They are referred to as "freeloaders". I think the fair thing to do would be to remove the requirement that the union represent them in matters of discipline, layoff and/or grievance procedure.

    Btw, my union's bylaws prohibit dues and fees being spent on political purposes; instead we maintain a Voluntary PAC fund where members voluntarily donate money to this fund which is then spent on politicians who support the unions aims and goals. Every member who contributes has a say in how the money is spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    That was not the case in Wisconsin when I lived there. If it was a union shop you paid union dues
    Unless as a core member, you registered as an agency fee objector, in which case you received a rebate from the union based on a percentage of your fees which were spent on non-contract maintenance items (political donations, organizing, social events, etc). See CWA vs. Beck


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commun...merica_v._Beck

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    Not to mention Pfft drives a truck, in Florida.
    The teamsters is a trucking Union that votes republican occasionally.
    So, really, he is just another conservative blowing smoke in the wind.
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