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    What should be next for unions if Janus prevails vs. AFSCME?

    The dialogue here in this link seems very pro-union but without all the standard dishonest propaganda, and actually discusses objectively what overall strategies unions should be thinking about in response to an anticipated fully 'Right To Work' public sector. I'm not usually a fan of biased sources like In These Times, but this was an interesting read.

    In this case, After Janus, Should Unions Abandon Exclusive Representation?

    A few interesting paragraphs, of many:

    The way I see it, right-to-work presents two interlocking problems for unions. The first is that unions are legally required to represent all workers in a bargaining unit that the union has been certified to represent, and in open shops the Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) requires unions to expend resources on non-members who are covered by that contract. This is commonly known as the free rider problem and it gets a lot of attention, for good reason.

    The second problem is that open shops also undermine solidarity by pitting workers who pay their fair share to support the union against those who do not. This is the divide-and-conquer problem.

    So the free rider problem is institutional: the union has to expend all these resources fighting on behalf of workers who are not members and do not pay dues. And the divide-and-conquer problem is interpersonal: when workers do not all support the union this results in union and non-union members developing adversarial attitudes toward each other which undermines the ability for collective action.

    If you believe that the source of a union’s strength is its ability to unite workers in common fights to better their conditions on the job and in the community, then the divide-and-conquer problem is a real impediment to union power. Yet, the free rider problem gets far more attention from union leaders and activists than the divide-and-conquer problem. This is especially true in the discussion around whether unions should ditch exclusive representation and pursue a members-only form of unionism.
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    What does this post have to do with Politics? Isee nothing in the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    What does this post have to do with Politics? Isee nothing in the article.

    It would have been an interesting subject back in the 1950s or 1960s, when labor unions were still relevant in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    What does this post have to do with Politics? Isee nothing in the article.
    In what sub-forum would you suggest this topic belongs?

    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It would have been an interesting subject back in the 1950s or 1960s, when labor unions were still relevant in the US.
    It's an interesting subject considering it has everything to do with an anticipated landmark Supreme Court case that will be decided any day now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    What does this post have to do with Politics? Isee nothing in the article.
    What does your post have to do with politics?

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    This sentence stood out to me as well:

    "In my opinion, most arguments in support of kicking out free riders actually reinforces the employers' logic—turning union membership into a personal choice and unions themselves into competing vehicles for individualized services rather than vehicles for broad class struggle."

    So what are unions really supposed to be? Like what is their actual purpose? Are they supposed to be service providers? Or are they supposed to be "vehicles for broad class struggle?" The latter sounds purely political and inherently Marxist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    What does your post have to do with politics?
    It is a goal of conservatives to destroy unions.
    Liberals are more supportive of unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    It is a goal of conservatives to destroy unions.
    Liberals are more supportive of unions.
    The sky is blue and water is wet.

    Thank you for adding so much to the thread that we didn't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The sky is blue and water is wet.

    Thank you for adding so much to the thread that we didn't know.
    All you had to say was, "well, of course you are correct as you almost always are old wise one."
    You mad bro'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    All you had to say was, "well, of course you are correct as you almost always are old wise one."
    You mad bro'?
    Didn't know the internet police hired you.

    Big promotion huh?

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