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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Fine. So, what is it that you think is "at stake here?"
    Well, when people start getting vindictive, there's always stuff like this:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/...cident-w514820

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    The reciprocal question would be, why post racist tweets if she likes black people?
    Maybe the answer for both is that she's stupid. It just does not seem like everything adds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Well, when people start getting vindictive, there's always stuff like this:

    https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/...cident-w514820

    People couldn't make fake 911 calls until there was an Internet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    You might find the following interesting with regard to your thoughts.

    "I have known Roseanne Barr for over 25 years. I've known her as Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Arnold, just "Roseanne", then back to Roseanne Barr. I've spent time in her home, criss-crossed the country with her to help remove George W. Bush from the White House, appeared on her shows, been there for her when she needed something, and connected her with one of my producers who did an insightful, one-of-a-kind documentary into the genius and the tragedy that is Roseanne Barr."

    "On Tuesday Roseanne posted hateful, slanderous tweets directed at four people: George Soros, Valerie Jarrett, Chelsea Clinton and me. A few hours later, she was fired by ABC."

    "For the past few years, Roseanne has been posting the craziest stuff on Twitter, like claiming Hillary was part of a child sex abuse ring being run out of a DC pizza place. She's claimed that the Clintons have murdered people. And anyone who criticizes Benjamin Netanyahu is a "nazi."

    "Roseanne seems to be suffering from some sort of madness. It's more than just saying she's a racist. She operates in the same sewer of lies, conspiracy theories and bigotry that's been rising in America for years and that has now succeeded in electing our current president. Totally nuts."

    "Here's who's not crazy: Donald J. Trump."

    "Trump, though he shows all the signs of being absolutely bonkers, is not insane. He's the real deal. His racism and hate is real, it's well thought-out, he's the true master of manipulation, a brilliant performance artist, and an evil genius. He outsmarted a nation of liberals and Democrats and won the White House by losing the actual vote of the people. He neutered and then destroyed the Grand Old Republican Party. He knows exactly what he is doing."

    "Roseanne, on the other hand, is a person who long ago broke through and brought an authentic voice of working women and men to television via one of the greatest TV series of all time. It was groundbreaking because the TV industry had historically either ignored, ridiculed or patronized those of us who grew up in the working class. Roseanne changed that."

    "But she is also a damaged soul. Most people don't know that she has suffered her entire life from a massive head injury she received during a serious car accident when she was a child. Her brain injuries were immense and she spent months in the hospital struggling to recover."

    "I also have no idea what it was like to grow up, as she did, as a Jewish girl in Salt Lake City. Not a tolerant state, to be sure. She told me how her parents, who owned an apartment building, were asked by the U.S. government after World War II if they would be willing to house Holocaust survivors who had come to the U.S. as refugees. Her parents took dozens in, and Roseanne's childhood was spent with these survivors as her "family." "The stories they told me," she said, "were filled with unimaginable horror. I've always wondered what effect that had on me as a little girl."

    "Now, sadly, for the past few years, Roseanne has been in a downward spiral, ranting like crazy on Twitter, spreading conspiracy theories, attacking the people she used to love, supporting Trump, and being just an outright hateful and racist person. It has been a difficult decline to witness. She has repeatedly attacked me, and on Tuesday, after calling George Soros a "Nazi" (he's a Jew and a Holocaust survivor), Valerie Jarrett an offspring "of the Muslim Brotherhood and Planet of the Apes," and saying that Chelsea was "married to" a Nazi relative of George Soros, she then retweeted a disgusting new word for me because I have spoken out against the Netanyahu government and its killing of Palestinians -- "#JewHater". Nonstop insanity and sickness."

    "I guess there might be 20 million Americans (out of 320 million) who probably agree with her. She has thrown down with the lowest of the low, and who knows if she’ll ever recover from this descent into her own personal hell."

    "To close, I want to say just how great the new Roseanne show was. It was funny but brutal to watch because it showed how our system of greed has hurt millions of families like the Connors of Illinois. On the final episode last week, Roseanne was addicted to opioids because she couldn't afford the knee surgery she needed, so she suffered along in agonizing pain. Dan, her husband, in order to raise money for her surgery, decided to take a non-union job -- and Roseanne berates him for doing so and letting his union brothers and sisters down. There are a couple quick knocks on Trump, making it clear that the real Roseanne was not writing or running this show. For the past 9 weeks, the new Roseanne show has shined a powerful and necessary light on what it means to be working class in 2018. Her blended family on this new series was white and black and LGBTQ, and her generous neighbors next door were Muslims who forced her to confront her own bigotry."

    "If only her art could have helped her in her real life................more....

    https://www.facebook.com/mmflint/pos...55315035671857

    Some might think Michael Moore is off his rocker, too, but what he says here, asks us all to question our own thoughts on this matter and so many others. I don't think that's a bad thing, although some people seem to have become obsessively suspicious to the point of paranoia. I would also agree that things happen to some people's physiology based on trauma, aging, illness or substance use or abuse, that can have them doing things they would not have done in the past.
    A very nice post. I'd thank it twice if I could. I'm not usually a Moore fan, but this was very insightful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    People couldn't make fake 911 calls until there was an Internet?
    Who in the world said anything like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Who in the world said anything like that?

    You linked to a story about someone making a fake 911 call to someone's house because they were pissed off about a video game, didn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    It is a complex situation. First, I don't think there is ever any real justice in mob justice, and that's not just since the days of the internet started. That's just not the goal. Second, it's really just a tangent or offshoot of the open marketplace though. If a given group doesn't want to buy fresh crab from the seafood shop run by the former Nazi soldier, is that society choosing to disassociate itself from a distasteful person or is it mob justice? If the citizens of a town pressure their local school board because they don't want the teacher who works a side job as a stripper to continue teaching young children, is that mob justice? The town I grew up in had two video rental stores. Both rented oldies and new releases. One also rented adult movies. Several churches and church members banded together to organize a boycott of the second store who was doing something perfectly legal but also something they found distasteful. They went out of business. Was that mob justice?

    We've come to accept a certain amount of "mob justice" in our lives, even rely on it at times. It's fairly easy when the community has a 90-10 split on who sides with an issue. When that divide is more along the lines of 60-40 or 55-45... things start getting dicey.
    I agree with all of your points... but there is something new with the Internet. Look how mean people are willing to be when they don't have to face the person they are being mean to... now multiply that by the number of folks online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    You linked to a story about someone making a fake 911 call to someone's house because they were pissed off about a video game, didn't you?
    I never said that any of this stuff didn't exist before the internet.

    The anonymous nature of the internet does seem to make people act more extreme though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I never said that any of this stuff didn't exist before the internet.

    The anonymous nature of the internet does seem to make people act more extreme though.

    Probably. In some ways, the invention of the Internet was kind of like an expansion of the ham radio/CB radio community. People were often anonymous on that media as well. There just weren't as many of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    I was thinking about Rosanne, and the various things I have learned from our discussions here, and I can't help but feel, even though she was wrong, like the punishment may have not fit the crime.

    In part, because this one tweet does not constitute everything that she is. Also, because its ugliness makes us want to take immediate action. So we end up killing her show, firing hundreds of people, and losing something that millions of people enjoyed.

    Some of things I read here include her wanting to have a black girlfriend for her white child, her wanting to have a gay character (which I guess the request was turned down), and stuff like that. She also partners with black people, like Wanda Sykes. So it does not feel like hate black people in general, but perhaps she just hates liberals in politics and gets stupid when trying to insult them.

    The internet is always a lynch mob when it comes to justice. So, it makes me think that even though she was wrong, and stupid too, perhaps all that happened was more than needed to.

    Interested in your thoughts.
    Pretty much what I said a few days back.

    I think Roseanne was way the fuck out of line. I also think the price charged was too high - not to her, but to the rest of the cast and crew. I think they should have given her a chance to stop tweeting, fine her every time she breaks the morality clause, etc. There were options. She's absolutely revolting, and I wasn't watching her show to begin with (for that very reason.) She's a conspiracy theorist. She's a hateful, hurtful, female version of Trump.
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