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    Oh, sure; I'm game! Tell me what the right has done that hasn't decimated families, given a huge tax break to the obscenely wealthy, flat-out obstructed justice like nobody's business, served the NRA, given new meaning to the word "corrupt," made war on our clean air and water, made war on our education system, decimated our State Department, pushed away our allies, pulled our enemies closer, exacerbated racism, xenophobia, misogyny; working on again making LGBTQ "less than," the list goes on. And on. And FUCKING ON.

    The tax break wasn't worth it. If that's what we got in exchange for the above, then the price was too high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    Yes, it seems both parties have been taken over by the more extreme elements. A move back closer to the center is what we need to see. Until that happens, neither party can count on my vote.
    Hillary was about as close to center a politician as you will find so I find your argument kinda stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    The other choice was not voting at all. I would never do that.
    You got what you deserved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Many of us voted for neither of the candidates nominated by the two major parties.

    ...with no feelings of guilt.
    I'm sure trump thanks you profusely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
    You can disagree all you want but you aren't going to find a democrat closer to the center than Hillary was. Anyone closer to the center than her would be a conservative.
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    Powerful interest groups have been feeding their respective party bases agitating rhetoric for a long time, and mainstream Presidents (candidates, even) almost never reach to the extremes of this rhetoric. They pump the rhetoric and then support a moderate. Pump the rhetoric and support a moderate.

    Feed the people enough divisive rhetoric for long enough, and eventually they will topple your moderate candidate with a populist.

    In the case of the Democratic Party, that powerful interest group is Big Labor. Democrats have been obediently trumpeting their anti-trade rhetoric for over 30 years. Hillary couldn't sell it. She comes across as extremely inauthentic. Her husband is associated with NAFTA, which Big Labor has railed against for almost three decades now. She was quoted referring to the TPP as a "gold standard" of free trade agreements. Trump came in and boldly stated the TPP was toast and that NAFTA would be renegotiated. People believed him. Then in a panic the Democrats asked Richard Trumka to scream into the microphone at the Convention that "She opposes the job-killing Trans-Pacific Partnership!" and no one believed him. Everyone who has paid any attention knew Trumka was lying. He lies constantly. They believed Trump though. And Trump turned out to be telling the truth! He did pitch the TPP, and has been continuously anti-trade, which is what unions have been clamoring for.

    Sanders was the more believable candidate for progressives. It was evident the DNC was actively undermining him. The media's extreme over-confidence that Hillary would win created an enormous sense of complacency. The Democratic Party establishment did everything extremely wrong in 2016, and completely unraveled.
    It's unfair that Hillary has been blamed for something her husband did, namely NAFTA. But you're right. People did blame her for that and were afraid of TPP. How you think that Sanders was the more believable candidate is beyond me, though. Honestly, what has he ever actually accomplished? The Democrats are very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but I hope you weren't one who voted in a swing state and gave Trump the presidency. Whatever Hillary's and the Democrat's faults are, they aren't the dumpster fire Donald Trump and the Republicans are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Yeah...you posted a thread hit piece on the Clintons. You told Ian that you did not have a source link...that someone forwarded the info to you.

    Enjoy your journey to find the truth. Take a break from voting.
    I posted that to get some intelligent feedback. I tried to get to the source but so far am unsuccessful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And how do you feel about what that vote accomplished.
    If we all had a crystal ball, wouldn't that be nice. I did what felt right to me at the time. Yet he is far from 100% wrong in every issue as some say he is. I certainly hope that in the next election there will be a better choice!!!
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    What do you want people to say? I see you still don't get how important who you elect is. You may not want to call yourself republican but voting with them for a genuine mentally unstable candidate who put everything up front and never hid it says how you think. Sorry but the so-called "foundation" bait sounds like a cop out that helped you do what you wanted to do. When the candidate you want is a nutcase and stands for racism and tearing apart this country and you vote for him because "she" is left handed instead of focusing on knowledge and capability and the betterment of society, you get what you get. You have your President, enjoy him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    Yes, it seems both parties have been taken over by the more extreme elements. A move back closer to the center is what we need to see. Until that happens, neither party can count on my vote.
    That is actually not true.
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