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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I posted that to get some intelligent feedback. I tried to get to the source but so far am unsuccessful.
    However you don't want intelligent feedback if DebateDrone's answer to you makes you defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Oh, sure; I'm game! Tell me what the right has done that hasn't decimated families, given a huge tax break to the obscenely wealthy, flat-out obstructed justice like nobody's business, served the NRA, given new meaning to the word "corrupt," made war on our clean air and water, made war on our education system, decimated our State Department, pushed away our allies, pulled our enemies closer, exacerbated racism, xenophobia, misogyny; working on again making LGBTQ "less than," the list goes on. And on. And FUCKING ON.

    The tax break wasn't worth it. If that's what we got in exchange for the above, then the price was too high.
    It is discouraging to see that some still did not learn any lessons from any of this. They keep their eye's wide shut on the outcome. Hate to be hard on the top poster but nothing was learned. Nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I would like your opinion...civilly, of course. I have been a registered Dem and always voted that way. Then this past election I left the party. For the very first time! I was just so unhappy with Hillary...I didn't want any part of her or her Foundation. I had hoped for "a refreshing change." I am not sure just how refreshing that change has been! Surely, there are many mistakes, but I do not feel POTUS or the Republicans are ALL wrong as the left believes. I do know a lot of people did the same exact thing I did. In fact, I think the percentage of disgruntled, disappointed, frustrated Dems helped to bring Trump into office. I am seriously wondering just how the Democratic party can win myself back and the others? I still have the same values I always have had. I am truly not a Republican; but neither am I on the far left. I would like to hear your response.
    I don't believe you were always a democrat. Sorry just don't find it believable when you say people were disgruntled by Obama.

    After the idiot in chief we have now I think my dog would be a viable candidate next time around for the democrats. I'm not worried.

    I've voted for republicans in the past but will never ever ever vote for one again due to their cowardly enabling of our commander in chief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One View Post
    We'll just have to agree to disagree on this.
    You can't disagree simply because she was a centrist. That reality doesn't just disappear for a conversation. She was/is left centrist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    It is discouraging to see that some still did not learn any lessons from any of this. They keep their eye's wide shut on the outcome. Hate to be hard on the top poster but nothing was learned. Nothing.
    She gave a honest opinion about how she feels. She is a swing voter and piling on her is exactly what will get Trump back in the WH. Instead, try persuading her back to the Democrat party instead of turning her off more. I am hoping to see what the Democrats have learned since HRC allowed Trump to beat her. If the Democrats come up with a equally stupid candidate like Trump...we will need her vote more than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    I don't believe you were always a democrat. Sorry just don't find it believable when you say people were disgruntled by Obama.

    After the idiot in chief we have now I think my dog would be a viable candidate next time around for the democrats. I'm not worried.

    I've voted for republicans in the past but will never ever ever vote for one again due to their cowardly enabling of our commander in chief.
    They use Obama and Hillary to justify voting for the worse president this country has ever seen. It is like a bad joke no one can wake up from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    If we all had a crystal ball, wouldn't that be nice. I did what felt right to me at the time. Yet he is far from 100% wrong in every issue as some say he is. I certainly hope that in the next election there will be a better choice!!!
    Ideally, who would you like to see run in 2020 for president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    She gave a honest opinion about how she feels. She is a swing voter and piling on her is exactly what will get Trump back in the WH. Instead, try persuading her back to the Democrat party instead of turning her off more. I am hoping to see what the Democrats have learned since HRC allowed Trump to beat her. If the Democrats come up with a equally stupid candidate like Trump...we will need her vote more than ever.
    Nope. That is not an option. I don't care what party anyone belongs to. I'm not a democrat and would NEVER be a republican. You see people can vote for any party they want to elect the best candidate. The OP clearly describes her view so I have no problem being disgusted. That is not a thing to be respected because of the suffering and pain that is just beginning. How do you vote for the worse president anyone has witnessed then justify it and remain loyal? This isn't over and apparently the OP never saw any of this coming, or the OP thinks like him. Sorry but that mindset is not something you can change if anyone does not see the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    She gave a honest opinion about how she feels. She is a swing voter and piling on her is exactly what will get Trump back in the WH. Instead, try persuading her back to the Democrat party instead of turning her off more. I am hoping to see what the Democrats have learned since HRC allowed Trump to beat her. If the Democrats come up with a equally stupid candidate like Trump...we will need her vote more than ever.
    Thats just it, both parties have their solid 30% or so, but its those swing voters that need to be convinced. If they are turned off, they wont help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Thats just it, both parties have their solid 30% or so, but its those swing voters that need to be convinced. If they are turned off, they wont help.
    Look it isn't that complicated: Hillary won millions more votes as the best candidate. She ran on the right things and knew what she was doing. This had nothing to do with her. She lost the Bernie states because they stayed home, voted for bozo or voted third party. The same thing will happen in 2020 if the voters in Bernie states don't get it.

    Hopefully brain dead voting is out and real issues and solutions are in when the next election rolls around because if the rust belt remains the same they would elect Charles Manson over Albert Einstein because Albert thinks he is smart.
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