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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    What do you want people to say? I see you still don't get how important who you elect is. You may not want to call yourself republican but voting with them for a genuine mentally unstable candidate who put everything up front and never hid it says how you think. Sorry but the so-called "foundation" bait sounds like a cop out that helped you do what you wanted to do. When the candidate you want is a nutcase and stands for racism and tearing apart this country and you vote for him because "she" is left handed instead of focusing on knowledge and capability and the betterment of society, you get what you get. You have your President, enjoy him.
    I look forward to hearing your opinion right before the next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I look forward to hearing your opinion right before the next election.
    The next election in November or the next presidential election? Because I'd love to hear your opinion just before the next presidential election when all of Trump idiotic moves have really started to take effect. I don't know who the next Dem nominee will be, but whoever it is they'll be a damn sight better the orange toddler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Look it isn't that complicated: Hillary won millions more votes as the best candidate. She ran on the right things and knew what she was doing. This had nothing to do with her. She lost the Bernie states because they stayed home, voted for bozo or voted third party. The same thing will happen in 2020 if the voters in Bernie states don't get it.

    Hopefully brain dead voting is out and real issues and solutions are in when the next election rolls around because if the rust belt remains the same they would elect Charles Manson over Albert Einstein because Albert thinks he is smart.
    It wont. People are less and less loyal to a given party. They are no longer afraid to throw out a third party vote. That wont change and in fact I bet it will grow stronger as people like The Rock and Mark Cuban say if they decide to run it will be as an indie, not affiliated with either party. There is no longer that stigma there used to be with voting third party. Younger people are more worldly and want more than two parties. While that wont happen anytime soon, they wont be timid to throw a vote for the Green party or whomever they favor. The old days where everyone fit nicely into two parties is no longer with us. States are seeing it locally, more candidates coming in from other parties. We have 5 parties in our state legislature now, other states as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I would like your opinion...civilly, of course. I have been a registered Dem and always voted that way. Then this past election I left the party. For the very first time! I was just so unhappy with Hillary...I didn't want any part of her or her Foundation. I had hoped for "a refreshing change." I am not sure just how refreshing that change has been! Surely, there are many mistakes, but I do not feel POTUS or the Republicans are ALL wrong as the left believes. I do know a lot of people did the same exact thing I did. In fact, I think the percentage of disgruntled, disappointed, frustrated Dems helped to bring Trump into office. I am seriously wondering just how the Democratic party can win myself back and the others? I still have the same values I always have had. I am truly not a Republican; but neither am I on the far left. I would like to hear your response.
    You saw what happened the last time the Republicans held all three branches. Why did you think taking us back to a one party system would be a "refreshing change"?

    If Hillary had been elected Republicans would have kept her in check.

    No there's nothing to stop them from bankrupting the country (again) and deregulating everything (again) and I imagine will wind up with another disaster like the banks collapsing and we'll be back to square one.

    Here's my question to you. If you have the same values you always had, and you've always voted Democrat, what values do Republicans have that you hold? And did you consider that the vote for Trump was also a checkmate move to give one party all the power and not just one vote for one person?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    Yes, I did
    At least you admit it. I was beginning to think no one actually voted for the guy as so far, I've heard few of the conservatives here say they did. One other Dem on this board admitted to voting for Trump, but he lives in CA and knew it would make no difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Labor unions still have a lot of power, as evidenced by their ability to get you to internalize their talking points.
    So a "Talking Point" is any good argument that opposes your views?
    Sean Hannity has taught you well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I look forward to hearing your opinion right before the next election.
    I am sorry for being so abrupt with you but I am a bit of a political wonk who doesn't think anything was hidden during the election. It was a clear choice. The results may set us back for many decades and we may very well experience another recession due to actions Trump has taken that I won't go into. My motto is never vote for someone who is proud of being an asshole and brags about knowing nothing running for the most complicated job in the US, and never vote for someone who promises shiny objects that are not achievable. Vote for the candidate that knows what they are doing and address the issues seriously. That is how we protect our country and fellow citizens. Btw, never lose your focus over smears that are always expected in any election. The important things remain important. I hope I never see the voter ignorance in the last election repeated. Mostly I hope we survive this without lasting damage. We are currently in real trouble so watch our standings globally, guard our press, guard children and families, and watch the economy. Some very bad things are starting to bubble in the underbelly that can hurt us. Keep an eye on the Volker Rule like your life depended on it.

    I look forward to seeing how you evolve in the upcoming years before the election. Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    You saw what happened the last time the Republicans held all three branches. Why did you think taking us back to a one party system would be a "refreshing change"?

    If Hillary had been elected Republicans would have kept her in check.

    No there's nothing to stop them from bankrupting the country (again) and deregulating everything (again) and I imagine will wind up with another disaster like the banks collapsing and we'll be back to square one.

    Here's my question to you. If you have the same values you always had, and you've always voted Democrat, what values do Republicans have that you hold? And did you consider that the vote for Trump was also a checkmate move to give one party all the power and not just one vote for one person?
    I guess we could ask the same of those old blue collar towns in the midwest, why did they vote for Trump? Many of them were the former "Reagan democrats" from the 1980s. They voted for Bill Clinton and Obama but were famous for voting for Reagan as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I am sorry for being so abrupt with you but I am a bit of a political wonk who doesn't think anything was hidden during the election. It was a clear choice. The results may set us back for many decades and we may very well experience another recession due to actions Trump has taken that I won't go into. My motto is never vote for someone who is proud of being an asshole and brags about knowing nothing running for the most complicated job in the US, and never vote for someone who promises shiny objects that are not achievable. Vote for the candidate that knows what they are doing and address the issues seriously. That is how we protect our country and fellow citizens. Btw, never lose your focus over smears that are always expected in any election. The important things remain important. I hope I never see the voter ignorance in the last election repeated. Mostly I hope we survive this without lasting damage. We are currently in real trouble so watch our standings globally, guard our press, guard children and families, and watch the economy. Some very bad things are starting to bubble in the underbelly that can hurt us. Keep an eye on the Volker Rule like your life depended on it.

    I look forward to seeing how you evolve in the upcoming years before the election. Cheers
    By the way, I am being sincere. I will open my mind and tread very carefully in 20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frecks1710 View Post
    I would like your opinion...civilly, of course. I have been a registered Dem and always voted that way. Then this past election I left the party. For the very first time! I was just so unhappy with Hillary...I didn't want any part of her or her Foundation. I had hoped for "a refreshing change." I am not sure just how refreshing that change has been! Surely, there are many mistakes, but I do not feel POTUS or the Republicans are ALL wrong as the left believes. I do know a lot of people did the same exact thing I did. In fact, I think the percentage of disgruntled, disappointed, frustrated Dems helped to bring Trump into office. I am seriously wondering just how the Democratic party can win myself back and the others? I still have the same values I always have had. I am truly not a Republican; but neither am I on the far left. I would like to hear your response.
    That is an excellent question as well as topic for discussion. In my opinion , too many people worry about labels regarding ones politics. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats should be embraced not shunned. The problem boils down to each party thinking they are right and having all the answers. With common ground and reasonable discourse nothing but rhetoric, polarization is the norm for the current political climate. I have always been a member of the Democratic Party. My only shift was embracing more conservative positions than liberal ones. (When I was younger those positions were reversed) I found the Blue Dogs to be closest to what I agree with, but along the same lines of reasoning, they did not have all the answers either. That said, I voted third party because I could not support either major candidate.

    My two cents here...

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