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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Bottom line; if you can vote without ID then that opens the doors to a wide range of fraud and removes the mechanisms through which that fraud could be detected.
    BS. These voter id's laws mostly sprung up after Obama was elected and only in red states (Gee I wonder why?) There has never been any evidence of wide spread voting fraud - ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Contact the Courthouse in the city you were born in. I was born in Ironton. Had to get one for some reason. No problem.
    Oh, I got it. It was almost too easy. But the website wasn't updated so at first I sent a check for $35 and they returned it because they raised it to $40 and I had to resend the app, etc.

    I know some people can't get theirs without a DL which you can't get without a BC, and so on. Or the hospital burnt down, or something. If people don't get started on this earlier enough to deal with the unexpected hurdles, they might not be able to get ID in time to vote.

    Depends on the state but there are several other things like the residency thing that can be problematic, especially for people in nursing homes. ID for voting isn't impossible, but I think it's made harder than it needs to be considering there's like .00000000000000001% of voter fraud by impersonation ever documented.

    And people who haven't paid their fines can't get DL's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Bottom line; if you can vote without ID then that opens the doors to a wide range of fraud and removes the mechanisms through which that fraud could be detected.
    So every election before 2008 was fraudulent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    BS. These voter id's laws mostly sprung up after Obama was elected and only in red states (Gee I wonder why?) There has never been any evidence of wide spread voting fraud - ever.
    No, I've heard the issue discussed when bush first got elected...

    You keep claiming no evidence... Meanwhile, you are opposed to the measures that would be required to get that evidence. Think about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    So every election before 2008 was fraudulent?
    Woah.... Really? You're going directly to the absurd and extreme... Unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    No, I've heard the issue discussed when bush first got elected...

    You keep claiming no evidence... Meanwhile, you are opposed to the measures that would be required to get that evidence. Think about that.
    Yeah, I'm only relying on study after study after study that says in person voter fraud is very rare. You do know that the stupid Trump commission to look into "Voter Fraud" has been disbanded right? Because there was nothing to see there. And meanwhile, Kobach, who was "heading" that commission, is going to be going to investigated for suppressing votes in Kansas.

    Kobach faces investigation by citizen grand jury | The Kansas City Star
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Oh, I got it. It was almost too easy. But the website wasn't updated so at first I sent a check for $35 and they returned it because they raised it to $40 and I had to resend the app, etc.

    I know some people can't get theirs without a DL which you can't get without a BC, and so on. Or the hospital burnt down, or something. If people don't get started on this earlier enough to deal with the unexpected hurdles, they might not be able to get ID in time to vote.

    Depends on the state but there are several other things like the residency thing that can be problematic, especially for people in nursing homes. ID for voting isn't impossible, but I think it's made harder than it needs to be considering there's like .00000000000000001% of voter fraud by impersonation ever documented.

    And people who haven't paid their fines can't get DL's.
    I was not born in a Hospital. Very few were back then.it was up to the Doctor to register a birth.. She filled it out by hand. A woman Doctor was unusual back then,too. My middle name was after her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Yeah, I'm only relying on study after study after study that says in person voter fraud is very rare. You do know that the stupid Trump commission to look into "Voter Fraud" has been disbanded right? Because there was nothing to see there. And meanwhile, Kobach, who was "heading" that commission, is going to be going to investigated for suppressing votes in Kansas.

    Kobach faces investigation by citizen grand jury | The Kansas City Star
    ADMISSIONS!!!!

    You are relying on admissions.... That's your studies.

    Fucking ludicrous that you look to the honesty of fucking criminals to know how bad the problem is.

    It doesn't require a commission costing millions per year, it requires "no Id = no vote". Then you won't have dead people voting, you won't see cities with 100% voter turnout, etc... and in bonus, the numbers in fraud becomes the MAX not the MIN based on your studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Oh, I got it. It was almost too easy. But the website wasn't updated so at first I sent a check for $35 and they returned it because they raised it to $40 and I had to resend the app, etc.

    I know some people can't get theirs without a DL which you can't get without a BC, and so on. Or the hospital burnt down, or something. If people don't get started on this earlier enough to deal with the unexpected hurdles, they might not be able to get ID in time to vote.

    Depends on the state but there are several other things like the residency thing that can be problematic, especially for people in nursing homes. ID for voting isn't impossible, but I think it's made harder than it needs to be considering there's like .00000000000000001% of voter fraud by impersonation ever documented.

    And people who haven't paid their fines can't get DL's.
    Donít they often use your past history to create a BC? A lot of times there will be other records.

    I know that many were not registered,especially the older generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    ADMISSIONS!!!!

    You are relying on admissions.... That's your studies.

    Fucking ludicrous that you look to the honesty of fucking criminals to know how bad the problem is.

    It doesn't require a commission costing millions per year, it requires "no Id = no vote". Then you won't have dead people voting, you won't see cities with 100% voter turnout, etc... and in bonus, the numbers in fraud becomes the MAX not the MIN based on your studies.
    What are you babbling about now. Voter ID are nothing but to suppress certain segments of the population from voting.

    Your railing about studies when I didn't even post links to them? Too funny.

    And way to ignore the legal trouble Kobach finds himself in now.

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