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    That may be true, but at this point why would anyone fight helping others get a photo ID? Its holding them back. Its getting worse, you need one for everything now even going to the ER around here you need proof. So its time we did more to help everyone get an ID and stop the nonsense. It creating a cycle of poverty if we dont.
    I think the obvious answer is that discouraging people from voting is the PURPOSE of these laws. Holding back certain people isn't a problem if yo don't want them to vote. Cycles of poverty isn't a problem if you don't care about poverty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Strange. The Post Office is a federal facility. ID's are a state responsibility. How is this?
    POs in rural areas offer a lot of other services. Not sure if they charge a fee or lease though. We even have one with a police precinct in it. Rural towns dont always have separate places for everything. One PO nearby has a lobby for registering to vote, picking up DMV forms, internet services etc.

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    You want to see Democrats get on board with Voter ID? Let a Republican win a House of Representative district in the inner city. They'll want Voter ID, they'll want fingerprints. Voter ID is here. It's not going away. I want to know why the Democrats think that black people are too stupid to be able to get a free ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think the obvious answer is that discouraging people from voting is the PURPOSE of these laws. Holding back certain people isn't a problem if yo don't want them to vote. Cycles of poverty isn't a problem if you don't care about poverty.
    I would give leeway to elderly who might be disenfranchised but anyone under 50 or so? No way. Make it easier for them to get a photo ID or they will be in poverty forever. Its only getting worse not better. Photo IDs are needed for everything nowadays. Its naive and careless to make them think to not bother to get one. Make it easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I would give leeway to elderly who might be disenfranchised but anyone under 50 or so? No way. Make it easier for them to get a photo ID or they will be in poverty forever. Its only getting worse not better. Photo IDs are needed for everything nowadays. Its naive and careless to make them think to not bother to get one. Make it easy.
    I think making it easy to get a photo id would be great. Make them free. Run photo ID sessions on a rotting basis in public libraries or at post offices. But that's not the purpose of the law. In fact, making it easy to get a photo id is directly opposed to the intent of the law, which is to lower voter turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think making it easy to get a photo id would be great. Make them free. Run photo ID sessions on a rotting basis in public libraries or at post offices. But that's not the purpose of the law. In fact, making it easy to get a photo id is directly opposed to the intent of the law, which is to lower voter turnout.
    So up your game. If that is the perceived goal then outdo them. Provide places, volunteer to drive them to DMVs, and get politicians to help offer IDs for free. Not hold them back. Thats how we started around here. League of Women Voters forced them to provide free IDs. Now there is no excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think making it easy to get a photo id would be great. Make them free. Run photo ID sessions on a rotting basis in public libraries or at post offices. But that's not the purpose of the law. In fact, making it easy to get a photo id is directly opposed to the intent of the law, which is to lower voter turnout.
    The County Registrar's Office and the DMV/BMV/DDS aren't easy enough? I live in Georgia. We have 159 County Registrar Offices. Each one is centrally located in the county. They are open Monday through Friday. Then every DDS (think DMV) also issues them Tuesday through Saturday. Yet, the left cries time and time again that it is too hard to get a free Voter ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    POs in rural areas offer a lot of other services. Not sure if they charge a fee or lease though. We even have one with a police precinct in it. Rural towns dont always have separate places for everything. One PO nearby has a lobby for registering to vote, picking up DMV forms, internet services etc.
    My point is that the service may be located at a PO, but it's not the PO doing it--it's the state. The state could set up a tent at a busy intersection if it wanted to--it has nothing to do with the post office, which is just a location.

    If the people instituting these laws didn't want them to lower voter turnout, they would make getting an ID free and easy. They mostly don't. Your state may be an exception, but then your state is an exception to just about everything.

    Keeping the same people in poverty has been pubic policy in many states since colonial times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    My point is that the service may be located at a PO, but it's not the PO doing it--it's the state. The state could set up a tent at a busy intersection if it wanted to--it has nothing to do with the post office, which is just a location.

    If the people instituting these laws didn't want them to lower voter turnout, they would make getting an ID free and easy. They mostly don't. Your state may be an exception, but then your state is an exception to just about everything.

    Keeping the same people in poverty has been pubic policy in many states since colonial times.
    Isn't that the purpose of the County Registrar's Office? Every county has one. It's in the county seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I would give leeway to elderly who might be disenfranchised but anyone under 50 or so? No way. Make it easier for them to get a photo ID or they will be in poverty forever. Its only getting worse not better. Photo IDs are needed for everything nowadays. Its naive and careless to make them think to not bother to get one. Make it easy.
    How many people this day and age do not have a photo ID...when it is needed for just about everything? You can't even get a job without a ID. Even tho voting is a constitutional right, this is 2018...not the time frame of the Constitution. This is just outrage over nothing. If you truly want to vote, you will get an ID if it is required. ID's have no bearing on motivation to vote and the elderly are quite motivated to vote. Around here, if a elderly person is in a nursing home, volunteers provide transportation to the voting places. They also have volunteers come to the facilities and register them.
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