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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    How many people this day and age do not have a photo ID...when it is needed for just about everything? You can't even get a job without a ID. Even tho voting is a constitutional right, this is 2018...not the time frame of the Constitution. This is just outrage over nothing. If you truly want to vote, you will get an ID if it is required. ID's have no bearing on motivation to vote and the elderly are quite motivated to vote. Around here, if a elderly person is in a nursing home, volunteers provide transportation to the voting places. They also have volunteers come to the facilities and register them.
    Odd that you say voting is a Constitutional Right, keep in mind, the Constitution and its amendments do not give us rights but limit what the government can take away. No where does it dictate a right to vote. If it did, then it wouldn't be so easy for many states to take voting away from convicted felons. After all, no where in the Constitution does it say that can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    I think making it easy to get a photo id would be great. Make them free. Run photo ID sessions on a rotting basis in public libraries or at post offices. But that's not the purpose of the law. In fact, making it easy to get a photo id is directly opposed to the intent of the law, which is to lower voter turnout.
    That's exactly it. Flailing their arms about voter fraud is just a way to discredit voting in general, and set the stage for increased "security" around polling. Making more laws around voting is just a piece in their "toolkit". When you consider how many elections come down to a few percentage points, every little bit helps.



    another piece in their "toolkit"... scaring people into thinking that they may not be able to vote, or that they might get hassled for trying even if they know they are registered.



    It's just slimy tactics from people trying to cling to power. They know fully well that the main effect of their bullshit is to skim off just enough people who tend to vote democrat (poor people, college students, immigrants who have become citizens, etc.) then it's a win in their eyes. Because they don't care about anyone's right to vote if they aren't voting republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    POs in rural areas offer a lot of other services. Not sure if they charge a fee or lease though. We even have one with a police precinct in it. Rural towns dont always have separate places for everything. One PO nearby has a lobby for registering to vote, picking up DMV forms, internet services etc.
    Grocery store, Postoffice. This is the case in many small towns. Even in my small city the Police Department, Fire and Government Center are combined..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    So up your game. If that is the perceived goal then outdo them. Provide places, volunteer to drive them to DMVs, and get politicians to help offer IDs for free. Not hold them back. Thats how we started around here. League of Women Voters forced them to provide free IDs. Now there is no excuse.
    They don't have to do anything the law does not require of them. Private entities can't provide people with government IDs. We can't create birth certificates where they don't exist. BC's aren't free.

    The whole point here is that the intent of the law is to discourage voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I keep thinking of those steel workers during the 2016 campaign, "we want to talk about issues not crap." lol
    Thank you! One of the most importatant reasons for losing elections is the failure to not listen to those you need to vote for you.

    Fighting the last Election, going on how all Trump and Republicans are bad is not a winner.

    I see Beto O’Rourke has visited every County in Texas. He may not win, but people know who he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    They don't have to do anything the law does not require of them. Private entities can't provide people with government IDs. We can't create birth certificates where they don't exist. BC's aren't free.

    The whole point here is that the intent of the law is to discourage voting.
    Rasselas, have you thought of the other side? People who really want to vote will,and losing heir registration may push them to vote?

    I am sorry, I think 6 Years is more than enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    How many people this day and age do not have a photo ID...when it is needed for just about everything? You can't even get a job without a ID. Even tho voting is a constitutional right, this is 2018...not the time frame of the Constitution. This is just outrage over nothing. If you truly want to vote, you will get an ID if it is required. ID's have no bearing on motivation to vote and the elderly are quite motivated to vote. Around here, if a elderly person is in a nursing home, volunteers provide transportation to the voting places. They also have volunteers come to the facilities and register them.
    If the founders really wanted to make it free they would have said everyone is registered at birth to vote. But they didnt. To say an ID is some sort of poll tax is lunacy because one has always needed a birth certificate or a utility bill to register. Neither of which is ever free even when a baby is born you pay the clerk for the certificate. Its just screeching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    They don't have to do anything the law does not require of them. Private entities can't provide people with government IDs. We can't create birth certificates where they don't exist. BC's aren't free.

    The whole point here is that the intent of the law is to discourage voting.
    You still need a BC to register to vote. Or a utility bill for residency. Every single type of documentation has a cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    Rasselas, have you thought of the other side? People who really want to vote will,and losing heir registration may push them to vote?

    I am sorry, I think 6 Years is more than enough.
    I think the flaw here is that somehow only people who fervently desire to vote should have their votes protected. I think voting is a right, to be protected no matter what the person who owns that right thinks of it. If you stay silent for years, does that mean you give up your right to free speech? Should someone have to go to extraordinary length in order to protect their free speech rights, or should they be able to access them immediately, on a whim?

    If you really think people should only be able to vote if they are actively engaged in protecting that right and invest a good bit of time and effort to protect it, you might as well just appoint the Republican party's choice to every office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    You still need a BC to register to vote. Or a utility bill for residency. Every single type of documentation has a cost.
    I've been registered to vote in nine different states, but I've never been asked to show a birth certificate in order to register to vote.

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