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    Photo ID and disenfranchisment

    I have asked about this several times and have never received and answer. Can you get welfare and/or medicare/medicaid without photo ID?

    The main argument I hear against requiring photo ID to vote is the claim that it disenfranchises the poor and disadvantaged. I don't see it unless the welfare and medical help doesn't require it and I can't believe that. Am I wrong?

    In Canada the DMV equivalents aren't that few and far between and they offer photo ID for a reasonable fee, $35 in BC and $25 in Alberta. And if you are in need in some way, various government welfare offices can also issue them either at a subsidized cost or free on some basis I'm not familiar with.

    Are things so different in the US that the poor are able to get welfare but not an ID?
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    In many states you need a photo ID to get services like expanded Medicaid. I just changed my insurance and had to get a photo ID due to medical fraud. My state has photo ID to vote but they are given out for free in high schools now at 17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    In many states you need a photo ID to get services like expanded Medicaid. I just changed my insurance and had to get a photo ID due to medical fraud. My state has photo ID to vote but they are given out for free in high schools now at 17.
    It strikes me that it should be that easy. Where it isn't, I do suspect nefarious forces at work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I have asked about this several times and have never received and answer. Can you get welfare and/or medicare/medicaid without photo ID?

    The main argument I hear against requiring photo ID to vote is the claim that it disenfranchises the poor and disadvantaged. I don't see it unless the welfare and medical help doesn't require it and I can't believe that. Am I wrong?

    In Canada the DMV equivalents aren't that few and far between and they offer photo ID for a reasonable fee, $35 in BC and $25 in Alberta. And if you are in need in some way, various government welfare offices can also issue them either at a subsidized cost or free on some basis I'm not familiar with.

    Are things so different in the US that the poor are able to get welfare but not an ID?
    It's not the ID it's the birth certificate if, like me, you put yours somewhere where you can't find it. It's like, $40 to get one from CA. Plus for older people who have let their licenses lapse, they have to start all over and many aren't able to get BC's for various reasons. And college students have a hard time because they cannot prove residency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    It's not the ID it's the birth certificate if, like me, you put yours somewhere where you can't find it. It's like, $40 to get one from CA. Plus for older people who have let their licenses lapse, they have to start all over and many aren't able to get BC's for various reasons. And college students have a hard time because they cannot prove residency.
    Contact the Courthouse in the city you were born in. I was born in Ironton. Had to get one for some reason. No problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I have asked about this several times and have never received and answer. Can you get welfare and/or medicare/medicaid without photo ID?

    The main argument I hear against requiring photo ID to vote is the claim that it disenfranchises the poor and disadvantaged. I don't see it unless the welfare and medical help doesn't require it and I can't believe that. Am I wrong?

    In Canada the DMV equivalents aren't that few and far between and they offer photo ID for a reasonable fee, $35 in BC and $25 in Alberta. And if you are in need in some way, various government welfare offices can also issue them either at a subsidized cost or free on some basis I'm not familiar with.

    Are things so different in the US that the poor are able to get welfare but not an ID?
    I never received Welfare but you need a Birth certificate for everything now. I had no problem getting mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I have asked about this several times and have never received and answer. Can you get welfare and/or medicare/medicaid without photo ID?

    The main argument I hear against requiring photo ID to vote is the claim that it disenfranchises the poor and disadvantaged. I don't see it unless the welfare and medical help doesn't require it and I can't believe that. Am I wrong?

    In Canada the DMV equivalents aren't that few and far between and they offer photo ID for a reasonable fee, $35 in BC and $25 in Alberta. And if you are in need in some way, various government welfare offices can also issue them either at a subsidized cost or free on some basis I'm not familiar with.

    Are things so different in the US that the poor are able to get welfare but not an ID?
    You should do an internet search. Here's an NPR story about your question: https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id

    Here are some excerpts:
    I think the first thing to look at is to look at who actually drives. The most common form of government-issued ID are driver's licenses and so the people who are most unlikely to drive, as it is, is elderly, the poor, people who live in big cities, like African-Americans, especially young people, too, especially if they attend college. They may not have need for a car at the moment.

    And then people who are in rural areas. The other challenge for them is they are not near the Department of Motor Vehicles offices, etc., etc. where you would get these IDs.
    I talked with Rethel Frank(ph). She's 84 years old. She lives in Brokaw, Wisconsin, and she has an interesting story because she typifies what many seniors are experiencing. Many of them never had birth certificates to begin with, and if they did, they were incorrectly - their names were incorrectly put onto these documents. And if that's the case, then you're not going to get an ID. They will not accept discrepancies between your birth certificate and other forms of ID that you may have, like a Social Security card and those kinds of things.

    [....]

    She was born at a time when there was not a lot of attention paid to these sort of details, particularly for African-Americans.
    As far as the states go, they are issuing non-driver voter IDs. Many of them are for free, but the problem is, when you go to Department of Motor Vehicle offices, the waits are very long, they're time consuming. The governor of Tennessee, who's a Republican, by the way - he has expressed concern about the average wait times there, which extend well beyond an hour. And if you're talking about thousands of elderly, in particular, they can't wait that long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    You should do an internet search. Here's an NPR story about your question: https://www.npr.org/2012/02/01/14620...-government-id

    Here are some excerpts:
    OK, but that is a systemic function of a recalcitrant government. The state could easily issue photo IDs outside of drivers licences. At least 7 of the Canadian provinces offer that and I only limit it to that because I don't know about the others.

    As I said, why not offer that service at welfare offices?
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    Bottom line; if you can vote without ID then that opens the doors to a wide range of fraud and removes the mechanisms through which that fraud could be detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    OK, but that is a systemic function of a recalcitrant government. The state could easily issue photo IDs outside of drivers licences. At least 7 of the Canadian provinces offer that and I only limit it to that because I don't know about the others.

    As I said, why not offer that service at welfare offices?
    Read what my source actually said. Nothing about welfare was mentioned. Many states issue ID's other than driver licenses, and often they are free. What's not free is the process of getting the ID, and sometimes necessary records are not available.

    Like most people in the US, I think voting should be made easy. But as I think you're pointing out, the conservatives who push this requirement aren't interested in funding the kind of efforts that would ameliorate the problems it creates for legitimate voters.
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