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    Congress May Declare the Forever War

    Congress May Declare the Forever War
    A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.

    A rising generation of Americans has never known peace.

    Very soon, in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Somalia or Libya or perhaps elsewhere, an 18-year-old man or woman will be deployed by the United States military to risk his or her life in a War on Terror that began before they were even born.

    Already, every single spring, roughly 3.5 million high-school graduates reach adulthood with no memory of a time when their country wasn’t waging multiple wars.

    This undemocratic Forever War is a civic disaster.

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    The concept of a forever war, or perpetual war, in literature as well as real life, is not new. However, the proposed bipartisan legislation - certainly unconstitutional - would, or at least could, turn the elected president into an elected military dictator despite the constitutional powers of Congress. And such dictatorship could easily be applied domestically as well as internationally (as the article suggests) given the broad scope of the proposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Congress May Declare the Forever War
    A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.

    A rising generation of Americans has never known peace.

    Very soon, in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Somalia or Libya or perhaps elsewhere, an 18-year-old man or woman will be deployed by the United States military to risk his or her life in a War on Terror that began before they were even born.

    Already, every single spring, roughly 3.5 million high-school graduates reach adulthood with no memory of a time when their country wasn’t waging multiple wars.

    This undemocratic Forever War is a civic disaster.

    [click link above to read more]




    The concept of a forever war, or perpetual war, in literature as well as real life, is not new. However, the proposed bipartisan legislation - certainly unconstitutional - would, or at least could, turn the elected president into an elected military dictator despite the constitutional powers of Congress. And such dictatorship could easily be applied domestically as well as internationally (as the article suggests) given the broad scope of the proposal.
    The forever war is highly profitable to the right kind of people. Partly based on this constant need to keep a perpetual war supplied, we piss away about $700 billion per year on the military. That's far more than all the world's adversarial nations combined. The recipients of that military pork are careful to distribute it in as many Congressional districts as possible, to make sure that they always have a critical mass of Congress members to keep the gravy train going for them. At this point, I'm not even sure the process can be reversed. The beast has become so large and ravenous that maybe it can command its own feeding forever. Will we ever have another period like the 1990s, when there's a significant decline in real military spending?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Congress May Declare the Forever War
    A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.

    A rising generation of Americans has never known peace.

    Very soon, in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Somalia or Libya or perhaps elsewhere, an 18-year-old man or woman will be deployed by the United States military to risk his or her life in a War on Terror that began before they were even born.

    Already, every single spring, roughly 3.5 million high-school graduates reach adulthood with no memory of a time when their country wasn’t waging multiple wars.

    This undemocratic Forever War is a civic disaster.

    [click link above to read more]




    The concept of a forever war, or perpetual war, in literature as well as real life, is not new. However, the proposed bipartisan legislation - certainly unconstitutional - would, or at least could, turn the elected president into an elected military dictator despite the constitutional powers of Congress. And such dictatorship could easily be applied domestically as well as internationally (as the article suggests) given the broad scope of the proposal.
    What are the reasons they are giving for this measure? This should get a lot of push back from the likes of Rand Paul, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    What are the reasons they are giving for this measure? This should get a lot of push back from the likes of Rand Paul, etc.
    They don't want to be bothered to have to cast a vote authorizing military actions. Either way they vote, it can be a negative for them in their district... and they simply want a cushy job, where they don't have to do their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Congress May Declare the Forever War
    A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.

    A rising generation of Americans has never known peace.

    Very soon, in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Somalia or Libya or perhaps elsewhere, an 18-year-old man or woman will be deployed by the United States military to risk his or her life in a War on Terror that began before they were even born.

    Already, every single spring, roughly 3.5 million high-school graduates reach adulthood with no memory of a time when their country wasn’t waging multiple wars.

    This undemocratic Forever War is a civic disaster.

    [click link above to read more]




    The concept of a forever war, or perpetual war, in literature as well as real life, is not new. However, the proposed bipartisan legislation - certainly unconstitutional - would, or at least could, turn the elected president into an elected military dictator despite the constitutional powers of Congress. And such dictatorship could easily be applied domestically as well as internationally (as the article suggests) given the broad scope of the proposal.
    It is scary as hell... they're chipping away slowly already on established check and balance practices. These kind of law changes.. it will only help the hawks and those looking for ultimate power. It is sad as hell to witness Turkey / Russia experiences being repeated here in the US as we speak.

    If this continues.. i tell you, i'm not even sure that Trump will be gone after two terms.
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    I guess when the Republicans were lamenting Obama making himself King, they actually were telegraphing their own intentions.

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    A forever war run by people who have never served their country or had a child in the military.
    A "Chickenhawk" forever-war for further profit of the wealthy.

    Makes me sick!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Congress May Declare the Forever War
    A proposed law with bipartisan support would dramatically weaken the ability of legislators to extricate the United States from perpetual armed conflict.

    A rising generation of Americans has never known peace.

    Very soon, in Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Somalia or Libya or perhaps elsewhere, an 18-year-old man or woman will be deployed by the United States military to risk his or her life in a War on Terror that began before they were even born.

    Already, every single spring, roughly 3.5 million high-school graduates reach adulthood with no memory of a time when their country wasn’t waging multiple wars.

    This undemocratic Forever War is a civic disaster.

    [click link above to read more]




    The concept of a forever war, or perpetual war, in literature as well as real life, is not new. However, the proposed bipartisan legislation - certainly unconstitutional - would, or at least could, turn the elected president into an elected military dictator despite the constitutional powers of Congress. And such dictatorship could easily be applied domestically as well as internationally (as the article suggests) given the broad scope of the proposal.
    Declare it? Don't you mean admit it? This is a list I found at www.globalpolicy.org, which is a bit outdated actually since it stops at the Iraq war, but you get the idea. For the sake of brevity I included everything that started after the Vietnam war itself. Apologies for the crappy formatting:

    1965 Indonesia CIA-backed army coup overthrows President Sukarno and brings Gen. Suharto to power.
    1965 Congo CIA backed military coup overthrows President Joseph Kasavubu and brings Joseph Mobutu to power.
    1965 Dominican Republic 23,000 troops land.
    1965-1973 Laos Bombing campaign begin, lasting eight years.
    1966 Ghana CIA-backed military coup ousts President Kwame Nkrumah.
    1966-1967 Guatemala Extensive counter-insurgency operation.
    1969-1975 Cambodia CIA supports military coup against Prince Sihanouk, bringing Lon Nol to power. Intensive bombing for seven years along border with Vietnam.
    1970 Oman Counter-insurgency operation, including coordination with Iranian marine invasion.
    1971-1973 Laos Invasion by US and South Vietnames forces.
    1973 Chile CIA-backed military coup ousts government of President Salvador Allende. Gen. Augusto Pinochet comes to power.
    1975 Cambodia Marines land, engage in combat with government forces.
    1976-1992 Angola Military and CIA operations.
    1980 Iran Special operations units land in Iranian desert. Helicopter malfunction leads to aborting of planned raid.
    1981 Libya Naval jets shoot down two Libyan jets in maneuvers over the Mediterranean.
    1981-1992 El Salvador CIA and special forces begin a long counterinsurgency campaign.
    1981-1990 Nicaragua CIA directs exile "Contra" operations. US air units drop sea mines in harbors.
    1982-1984 Lebanon Marines land and naval forces fire on local combatants.
    1983 Grenada Military forces invade Grenada.
    1983-1989 Honduras Large program of military assistance aimed at conflict in Nicaragua.
    1984 Iran Two Iranian jets shot down over the Persian Gulf.
    1986 Libya US aircraft bomb the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi, including direct strikes at the official residence of President Muamar al Qadaffi.
    1986 Bolivia Special Forces units engage in counter-insurgency.
    1987-1988 Iran Naval forces block Iranian shipping. Civilian airliner shot down by missile cruiser.
    1989 Libya Naval aircraft shoot down two Libyan jets over Gulf of Sidra.
    1989 Philippines CIA and Special Forces involved in counterinsurgency.
    1989-1990 Panama 27,000 troops as well as naval and air power used to overthrow government of President Noriega.
    1990 Liberia Troops deployed.
    1990-1991 Iraq Major military operation, including naval blockade, air strikes; large number of troops attack Iraqi forces in occupied Kuwait.
    1991-2003 Iraq Control of Iraqi airspace in north and south of the country with periodic attacks on air and ground targets.
    1991 Haiti CIA-backed military coup ousts President Jean-Bertrand Aristide.
    1992-1994 Somalia Special operations forces intervene.
    1992-1994 Yugoslavia Major role in NATO blockade of Serbia and Montenegro.
    1993-1995 Bosnia Active military involvement with air and ground forces.
    1994-1996 Haiti Troops depose military rulers and restore President Jean-Bertrand Aristide to office.
    1995 Croatia Krajina Serb airfields attacked.
    1996-1997 Zaire (Congo) Marines involved in operations in eastern region of the country.
    1997 Liberia Troops deployed.
    1998 Sudan Air strikes destroy country's major pharmaceutical plant.
    1998 Afghanistan Attack on targets in the country.
    1998 Iraq Four days of intensive air and missile strikes.
    1999 Yugoslavia Major involvement in NATO air strikes.
    2001 Macedonia NATO troops shift and partially disarm Albanian rebels.
    2001 Afghanistan Air attacks and ground operations oust Taliban government and install a new regime.
    2003 Iraq Invasion with large ground, air and naval forces ousts government of Saddam Hussein and establishes new government.
    2003-present Iraq Occupation force of 150,000 troops in protracted counter-insurgency war
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    Not a single Trump has ever served in uniform for our country.
    They are bloodsuckers!

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    Congress effectively abdicated their power to declare war in the mid-20th century.
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