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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    We're headed down a road that I never thought I'd see. North Koreans don't have any money and Russians aren't much better off. There are no opportunities in NK and few in Russia. And Trump is emboldened since he now knows the Republicans aren't going to do a damn thing to rein him in. An argument could be made for China since they are growing their middle class. But not NK and Russia. Holy moly. how stupid can you get?
    Bizarro land I guess. Some Brexit supporters claim similar things about opening markets over there as well. I heard a commentator the other day say something interesting. He essentially said when democracy is calm and stable, people get bored and are more likely to support things they never would in times of crisis. I guess that could explain a lot all over the world. Voters are bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
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    So now we make military decisions based on other nations happiness?

    This thread could just as easily be called, Trump ends US status as world power. Thanks for nothing, big guy.
    It's rare that I say this, but Trump's right. It is an obvious provocation to conduct military exercises there. It always has been. It's just understood that the US is allowed to taunt enemy states with war exercises and regularly threaten to obliterate them, and it's just considered no big deal. Imagine if North Korea or Iran started doing military exercises 30 miles off the coast of California. Do you think we'd say that was just no big deal and not a provocation?

    Why would it be a provocation when some other nation does it, but not when the US does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It's rare that I say this, but Trump's right. It is an obvious provocation to conduct military exercises there. It always has been. It's just understood that the US is allowed to taunt enemy states with war exercises and regularly threaten to obliterate them, and it's just considered no big deal. Imagine if North Korea or Iran started doing military exercises 30 miles off the coast of California. Do you think we'd say that was just no big deal and not a provocation?

    Why would it be a provocation when some other nation does it, but not when the US does it?
    I agree with this however, I would think this would occur later in the negotiations. Maybe after SK denuclearizes. Although I have been reading some who say this was the least worst option, we had to show good faith somewheres and taking off their sanctions would be worse. So I dont know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Voters are bored.
    Boredom is stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It's rare that I say this, but Trump's right. It is an obvious provocation to conduct military exercises there. It always has been. It's just understood that the US is allowed to taunt enemy states with war exercises and regularly threaten to obliterate them, and it's just considered no big deal. Imagine if North Korea or Iran started doing military exercises 30 miles off the coast of California. Do you think we'd say that was just no big deal and not a provocation?

    Why would it be a provocation when some other nation does it, but not when the US does it?

    You really can't see any difference between the US and South Korea? Really?

    We've had troops in SK for so long only because the NK military has been aligned on their northern border waiting for an opportunity to attack them since the armistice was signed.

    Our troops serve either 1 or 2 year stints in SK. That's why they train every year. They train for a defensive response to the NK threat. If they aren't going to be prepared to respond to that threat, then they might as well just come home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Can a supporter(s) of Trump's please explain to me why you think it's good that we're becoming a pariah to countries in the free world that we've had alliances with for over 70 years. Alliances that have brought about the most peaceful time in history. Why is it good that he is undoing all the work that brought about all that peace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    You really can't see any difference between the US and South Korea? Really?

    We've had troops in SK for so long only because the NK military has been aligned on their northern border waiting for an opportunity to attack them since the armistice was signed.

    Our troops serve either 1 or 2 year stints in SK. That's why they train every year. They train for a defensive response to the NK threat. If they aren't going to be prepared to respond to that threat, then they might as well just come home.
    There are lots of differences between the US and NK. Since the end of the Vietnam war, the US has launched military attacks on other countries over 45 times. North Korea is a dictatorship in which most of the population lives an isolated and brutal subsistence existence so their Dear Leader can play war games. I really don't see what the differences between the US and DPRK really have to do with the price of tea in China though.

    Military exercises and threats to bring "Fire and Fury" on a tiny isolated nuclear power ruled by a family dictator is a dangerous game. And a provocation. All evidence does suggest maybe it finally provoked him to meet with the US and take steps to denuclearize (not going to hold my breath), so I'm not saying it's bad that it was a provocation necessarily. But it seems a bit like Russian roulette to me. If the trigger gets pulled and there is no bullet, then we win, but that doesn't mean playing Russian roulette was a good idea.

    I don't see the harm in admitting the obvious here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Can a supporter(s) of Trump's please explain to me why you think it's good that we're becoming a pariah to countries in the free world that we've had alliances with for over 70 years. Alliances that have brought about the most peaceful time in history. Why is it good that he is undoing all the work that brought about all that peace?
    Id like to hear that answer too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Bizarro land I guess. Some Brexit supporters claim similar things about opening markets over there as well. I heard a commentator the other day say something interesting. He essentially said when democracy is calm and stable, people get bored and are more likely to support things they never would in times of crisis. I guess that could explain a lot all over the world. Voters are bored.
    I think most Americans are too busy working their asses off trying to care for their families to be bored.
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