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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Like you still blame Obama. Like that? You are what you mock.
    You democrats and Obama set the precedent

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    It happened to Obama
    It happened to Hillary
    It will happen to the next leading Democratic Presidential candidate.

    It is politics, republican style.

    Not for anything Min, but doesn’t that style apply to politics in general given how polarized the process has become. Jeremiads have become the rule rather than the exception.

    Just an observation here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steezer View Post
    And look who just posted. The Riddler. You’re so predictable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    This is not about whether she runs or not. I hope she doesn't. I hope no member of the gray gang does. This is about bringing her into every conversation, every thread, it's like HRC Tourette Syndrome.

    And maybe a small part of it is attempting to get under a lib's skin. That'd be a shit way to live, but i digress. It still comes back to "What are you doing and why."

    The fact that "getting under a lib's skin" is doing severe and lasting damage to this country is a whole nother thread entirely.
    I remember Bush being brought up over & over during Obama's presidency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Two points: Okay, maybe three…

    First, while it’s true that all politicians invite their supporters to condemn “the bad guys” in an effort to gin up greater enthusiasm and to paint themselves as virtuous and sympathetic by contrast, the Republicans have over the last 40-50 years come to rely on this technique more and more heavily. It has really taken off since Bill Clinton, in their eyes, “stole” George H.W. Bush’s second term and Newt Gringrich took over the House with his “raze the city and rule the ruins” philosophy. Hillary was associated with Bill Clinton’s “illegitimate” presidency, of course; a lot of conservatives saw her at the time as an overly-ambitious, insufficiently demure “feminist” harpy. Thus, we hear incessantly about her “baggage.” That dates back to the ‘90s, eh?

    Then of course she actually became a successful politician in her own right. That just confirmed all of the negative feelings that a core group of Republicans already had about her. So, as a presidential candidate she started off with a history and a deep reservoir of animosity among a party that offers little these days apart from anger, jeremiads, appeals to tribal instincts, and empty promises of simple fixes to complex problems that never seem to require any significant work or sacrifice on the part of “real Americans.”

    Second, as Blueneck pointed out above, the Republicans knew for approximately eight years – and certainly for four years – that Hillary was the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. So, for years they focused all of their efforts on painting her as corrupt, incompetent, careless, unhealthy, uncaring, snobbish, grasping, greedy, shrewish, debauched, unwomanly, ugly, you name it… Remember how Benghazi was all Obama’s fault at first? How he supposedly was watching the video of the events unfolding and ordered rescue forces to “stand down...?” How he ordered Susan Rice to lie about the video...? All of that went away as soon as the election was over and then Benghazi was all Hillary Clinton’s fault – and we had to have Congressional hearing after hearing about it for the next three years. The residual effects of a negative PR campaign such as that is going to linger for a while no matter what.

    By the way, yes, it was stupid of Hillary to set up that private email server; and despite her protests it seems likely that she knew what she was doing and it was at least as much about having and keeping control of her electronic correspondence as it was about convenience. She was her own worst enemy in that instance and it probably cost her the Presidency. Whether it should have is another question. We know after an investigation that she wasn’t negligent or careless with classified materials, no more so than previous Secretaries of State in any case. She shouldn’t have done it, and the evolution of technology made that a lot clearer in 2016 than it was even in 2008. But no real harm came of it. And if you’ve been relentlessly smeared in one way or another for a couple of decades, well, maybe that makes your desire to keep your cards as close to your vest as possible a bit more understandable.

    And of course now we see many of the same people who though Hillary should be doing hard time in the federal penn for putting state secrets at risk pooh poohing Donald Trumps illegal use of a private cell phone for official communications. So no, it was never really about state security, was it?

    Finally, critically, in order to stick with the tribe and vote for someone as plainly and dangerously incompetent and unsuitable as Donald Trump for President, a good many voters had to truly believe that Hillary was the evil she-beast that the Republican propaganda made her out to be. As Trump’s administration flounders, these folks need to double down on Hillary hate in order to keep convincing themselves that they only did what they had to do. We are seeing this a lot on this very forum, no?

    So, unfortunately, we can expect to hear a lot more talk over the next two to six years about how horrible Hillary was and about how so many people felt there was really no choice but to vote for Trump and about how therefore Trump’s failures are really all the fault of the Democratic party for failing to nominate a decent candidate in 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    No. Trump will fit that list, with his petty venality and corruption visible for all to see. Hillary's "crimes" are imaginary.
    Still waiting for Mueller to produce that list of corruption against Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    That all makes sense, and thank you for taking the time to write all that. But my actual question which may not have been as concise as it could have been was this: Why are they doing this to themselves? GWB & Co did a veritable shit-ton of damage, insane levels of damage. They never cross my mind or my keyboard. Because what would be the fucking point?

    These people are enmeshed with a woman who literally, as stated previously, will never affect their life, neither for good nor harm. Yet they can't go five posts without "But Hillary!"

    It's almost like a drug. Like they couldn't quit smoking or drinking, or gambling, or Hillary.
    If she won the presidency she would of affected our lives in some way. If she still wants to be in the lime light then she is fair game. Previous politicians who helped create policy that is still with us today are still viable for discussion. You brought up Ted Kennedy, that brings us to immigration. That is clearly with us today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    If she won the presidency she would of affected our lives in some way. If she still wants to be in the lime light then she is fair game. Previous politicians who helped create policy that is still with us today are still viable for discussion. You brought up Ted Kennedy, that brings us to immigration. That is clearly with us today.
    Everybody be pickin' on the Hildabeast.

    It's just not fair.

    She dint do nuffin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    This won't even end when Hillary is dead. The hate will continue. How do I know this? Ted Kennedy.

    What is with the people who can't let go of the past, especially when it hasn't even had any actual effect on them or their lives?
    No, this is what happens when people don't have much ammunition in their hate war. They just pick up the spent cartridges and throw them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Policy issues were vastly different between the two candidates. Policy is what people will have to live with.
    Policy issues...? C'mon, how many people voted on specific policy issues? Donald Trump probably had fewer detailed policy proposals than any candidate in recent history. And Hillary's reputation, deservedly, is as something of a policy wonk. Trump ran on simple and simple-minded slogans. Hillary had boring policy disquisitions that essentially nobody bothered to read and digest. That was one of the major complaints a lot of people had about her as a candidate, no? Of course she also had unconvincing and unexciting slogans too. So, yeah, among other things the election of 2016 definitively demonstrated that most voters don't really care about the nitty gritty of policy issues as such. If we didn't know that before -- and we kind of did -- we surely know it now.

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