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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Policy issues...? C'mon, how many people voted on specific policy issues? Donald Trump probably had fewer detailed policy proposals than any candidate in recent history. And Hillary's reputation, deservedly, is as something of a policy wonk. Trump ran on simple and simple-minded slogans. Hillary had boring policy disquisitions that essentially nobody bothered to read and digest. That was one of the major complaints a lot of people had about her as a candidate, no? Of course she also had unconvincing and unexciting slogans too. So, yeah, among other things the election of 2016 definitively demonstrated that most voters don't really care about the nitty gritty of policy issues as such. If we didn't know that before -- and we kind of did -- we surely know it now.

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    Yor mean Trump campaigned on closing the border and lowering taxes and conservative supreme court justices while Hillary was a corrupt liar that Obama and Lynch and Comey let loose instead of taking he to court

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Yor mean Trump campaigned on closing the border and lowering taxes and conservative supreme court justices while Hillary was a corrupt liar that Obama and Lynch and Comey let loose instead of taking he to court
    Yeah, like I said, slogans without any specifics. To the extent Trump stuck to any messages at all beyond raw appeals to the id, they were shuck and jive patter designed and intended to con the rubes. Trump's well-established stock in trade, no...? And clearly they worked just well enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Yeah, like I said, slogans without any specifics. To the extent Trump stuck to any messages at all beyond raw appeals to the id, they were shuck and jive patter designed and intended to con the rubes. Trump's well-established stock in trade, no...? And clearly they worked just well enough.

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    More Trump hate denying he is getting things done. You already will never admit any good coming from him. Your partisan bias keeps you from reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    LOL ....

    Let that ol' bat run again in 2020, if she even has the health to do so.

    Not only will she lose again, this time she will lose the popular vote as well.

    What will our liberal friends say then?

    Russia, Russia, Russia ......??

    The truth is the Democrats have no viable candidate.

    Normal thinking Main Street Americans are simply, once again, not going to vote for the Democrat Party's anti-American, anti-white platform.

    Not gonna happen ......

    Regardless of who they run.
    What a sad commentary on "normal thinking Main Street Americans".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    And your hate for Trump will go away when he leaves office? We will see.
    We'll see what kind of lasting damage he does to our country at home, and abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You mean the democrats want to forget their racists past. Democrats have been bad for the US all through our history. Look at now the hate we see and the unwarranted attacks of people in public settings by democrats
    The sin of a racist past belongs to white southern conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Like how Obama blamed Bush for 8 years
    Who would you blame for the wars in Afghanistan, and Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    I'm not being "led to believe" anything.

    I'm telling the forum what the 24/7 "news" media is talking about this morning.

    They said Hillary may be running again in 2020.

    They even have her campaign slogan: "Third time is the charm".

    My suggestion would be: "A two time loser, what could possibly go wrong?".
    She got almost 3 million more votes than your winner - no wonder the right hates her guts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havelock View Post
    Two points: Okay, maybe three…

    First, while it’s true that all politicians invite their supporters to condemn “the bad guys” in an effort to gin up greater enthusiasm and to paint themselves as virtuous and sympathetic by contrast, the Republicans have over the last 40-50 years come to rely on this technique more and more heavily. It has really taken off since Bill Clinton, in their eyes, “stole” George H.W. Bush’s second term and Newt Gringrich took over the House with his “raze the city and rule the ruins” philosophy. Hillary was associated with Bill Clinton’s “illegitimate” presidency, of course; a lot of conservatives saw her at the time as an overly-ambitious, insufficiently demure “feminist” harpy. Thus, we hear incessantly about her “baggage.” That dates back to the ‘90s, eh?

    Then of course she actually became a successful politician in her own right. That just confirmed all of the negative feelings that a core group of Republicans already had about her. So, as a presidential candidate she started off with a history and a deep reservoir of animosity among a party that offers little these days apart from anger, jeremiads, appeals to tribal instincts, and empty promises of simple fixes to complex problems that never seem to require any significant work or sacrifice on the part of “real Americans.”

    Second, as Blueneck pointed out above, the Republicans knew for approximately eight years – and certainly for four years – that Hillary was the likely Democratic nominee in 2016. So, for years they focused all of their efforts on painting her as corrupt, incompetent, careless, unhealthy, uncaring, snobbish, grasping, greedy, shrewish, debauched, unwomanly, ugly, you name it… Remember how Benghazi was all Obama’s fault at first? How he supposedly was watching the video of the events unfolding and ordered rescue forces to “stand down...?” How he ordered Susan Rice to lie about the video...? All of that went away as soon as the election was over and then Benghazi was all Hillary Clinton’s fault – and we had to have Congressional hearing after hearing about it for the next three years. The residual effects of a negative PR campaign such as that is going to linger for a while no matter what.

    By the way, yes, it was stupid of Hillary to set up that private email server; and despite her protests it seems likely that she knew what she was doing and it was at least as much about having and keeping control of her electronic correspondence as it was about convenience. She was her own worst enemy in that instance and it probably cost her the Presidency. Whether it should have is another question. We know after an investigation that she wasn’t negligent or careless with classified materials, no more so than previous Secretaries of State in any case. She shouldn’t have done it, and the evolution of technology made that a lot clearer in 2016 than it was even in 2008. But no real harm came of it. And if you’ve been relentlessly smeared in one way or another for a couple of decades, well, maybe that makes your desire to keep your cards as close to your vest as possible a bit more understandable.

    And of course now we see many of the same people who though Hillary should be doing hard time in the federal penn for putting state secrets at risk pooh poohing Donald Trumps illegal use of a private cell phone for official communications. So no, it was never really about state security, was it?

    Finally, critically, in order to stick with the tribe and vote for someone as plainly and dangerously incompetent and unsuitable as Donald Trump for President, a good many voters had to truly believe that Hillary was the evil she-beast that the Republican propaganda made her out to be. As Trump’s administration flounders, these folks need to double down on Hillary hate in order to keep convincing themselves that they only did what they had to do. We are seeing this a lot on this very forum, no?

    So, unfortunately, we can expect to hear a lot more talk over the next two to six years about how horrible Hillary was and about how so many people felt there was really no choice but to vote for Trump and about how therefore Trump’s failures are really all the fault of the Democratic party for failing to nominate a decent candidate in 2016.

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    Bears repeating.

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    LMAO @ "imaginary"
    So why hasnt trump managed to "lock her up"?

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