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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And yet they are our countrymen. We have to live with them and this is a democracy so they get to vote. Calling them "garbage" does nothing but make liberals as guilty of bigotry as any racist, sexist fuck from The Handmaiden's Tale. We're liberals--we can't write off anyone.
    That about sums it up. I couldn’t agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    The New York Times has been bending over backwards for months, trying to give Trump supporters the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, there is no benefit to be had. The very nicest thing you can say about them is that they are naive, gullible, and/or willfully ignorant.

    So, since we need a subject to discuss: I keep hearing that we have to suck up to Trump supporters, make them feel heard and important. Can anybody tell me why? Why should I make someone feel heard and important when they have repeatedly stated that all democrats are mentally ill and should probably be shot?

    Further, as near as I can tell, they want this to be a White Christian nation. Black people are not welcome here, nor are brown people, nor are LGBTQ and life would be just peachy if women lost their right to vote, as well as their right to privacy (which is the true bottom line of the abortion issue, it's none of your fucking business what happens in my doctor's office).

    Anyone who supports tearing children from their mothers as a valid means of blackmail to get the wall built is nobody I ever want to meet face-to-face.

    Yes, our country is incredibly polarized. But I'll be damned if I will give an inch to people who have not one drop of sympathy, empathy, compassion or class.



    The Times finally gets to the bottom of Trump supporters: It turns out they're garbage human beings
    There are two points -:

    1) What you seem to forget is that some 60 million+ Americans had to suffer Obama for 8 years

    2) You have no respect for the opposing party hence the antagonistic nature of your op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Trump has had a consistent 45% approval rating since his election. I shouldn't have to spell out to you what that means.

    But if you need help...I'm here for you.
    It means he's going to be re-elected.
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    I can write off rumpers. They are not Americans. They are to quote McCarthy UnAmerican activists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBob View Post
    I can write off rumpers. They are not Americans. They are to quote McCarthy UnAmerican activists.
    You really want to be quoting Joe McCarthy? Not exactly a liberal move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Wow. I wouldn't let this kind of thing go by if it were posted by a righty, so it's only fair to give a lefty thread the same treatment.

    This OP quotes the Daily Kos, which is itself "reporting" on an op-ed in the New York Times. Here's the original: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/o...ly-values.html

    The Kos article doesn't even name the writer of the opinion piece from which it cherrypicks. He's Matthew Schmitz. He's identified as an editorial writer for First Things, which is a conservative Catholic journal.

    The Kos article uses none of language of the original, which characterizes these "garbage" people as having a value system between that of red Republicans and blue Democrats--he calls them "purple" values. Schmitz does everything he can to sympathize with those voters. His view of them is clinical, not judgmental. The NYT headlines labels their views "nuanced."

    The central point of the original article is that Trump's supporters are defined by socio-economic class. Here's what it actually says: The Kos article takes this objective view and labels people "garbage" and impute racism to them, even though the article itself says that such people include "white, black, and Hispanic" people. What unites them is socio-economic class--they are working class and tend to be rural.

    The Kos article also suggests that we should ignore such people and that the navel-gazing we see in publications like NYT and WashPo is counter productive--just write those people off, they are garbage.

    This runs counter to liberal values. Liberals are supposed to see our whole country as one (albeit big, fractious) FAMILY. We can't afford to write off or devalue anyone. Let so-called conservatives and Trumpists do that. Bigotry looks good on them. But this Kos article is bigotry, pretty clearly.
    Too bad the right doesnt have more rational, people like you on their side of the aisle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Too bad the right doesnt have more rational, people like you on their side of the aisle.
    Disagreed. @Wonderer,@bajisima, and I would say otherwise.
    Last edited by Jets; 8th July 2018 at 10:17 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Disagreed. Wonderer,Bajisima, and I would say otherwise.
    Didn't she say "more" instead of "any"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    Disagreed. Wonderer,Bajisima, and I would say otherwise.
    Really, you speak for them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Really, you speak for them?
    Actually I do, because they are rational posters who could be considered on the right. If I’m wrong, I stand corrected.
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