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    Quote Originally Posted by Panzareta View Post
    Didn't she say "more" instead of "any"?
    That’s fine, but it comes across as a distinction without a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jets View Post
    That’s fine, but it comes across as a distinction without a difference.
    In my mind (and i wrote it so i get to say) "any" in that context would mean there were none. "More" means, IMHO, there are rational conservative (though it doesnt quantify how many) and the number could be added to.

    Im begining to think youre more contentious than youd like us to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    In my mind (and i wrote it so i get to say) "any" in that context would mean there were none. "More" means, IMHO, there are rational conservative (though it doesnt quantify how many) and the number could be added to.

    Im begining to think youre more contentious than youd like us to believe.
    In my defense, I took the statement as a broad brush. Questioning that interpretation doesn’t make someone contentious. As you point out there is more than one way to interpret the post.

    That said, I stand corrected. Won’t be the first nor the last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    And yet they are our countrymen. We have to live with them and this is a democracy so they get to vote. Calling them "garbage" does nothing but make liberals as guilty of bigotry as any racist, sexist fuck from The Handmaiden's Tale. We're liberals--we can't write off anyone.
    It is just getting to the point where you can't tell the difference anymore between the parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    The New York Times has been bending over backwards for months, trying to give Trump supporters the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, there is no benefit to be had. The very nicest thing you can say about them is that they are naive, gullible, and/or willfully ignorant.

    So, since we need a subject to discuss: I keep hearing that we have to suck up to Trump supporters, make them feel heard and important. Can anybody tell me why? Why should I make someone feel heard and important when they have repeatedly stated that all democrats are mentally ill and should probably be shot?

    Further, as near as I can tell, they want this to be a White Christian nation. Black people are not welcome here, nor are brown people, nor are LGBTQ and life would be just peachy if women lost their right to vote, as well as their right to privacy (which is the true bottom line of the abortion issue, it's none of your fucking business what happens in my doctor's office).

    Anyone who supports tearing children from their mothers as a valid means of blackmail to get the wall built is nobody I ever want to meet face-to-face.

    Yes, our country is incredibly polarized. But I'll be damned if I will give an inch to people who have not one drop of sympathy, empathy, compassion or class.



    The Times finally gets to the bottom of Trump supporters: It turns out they're garbage human beings
    The left...the side of the aisle that cries about tolerance, that moans over generalizations, that whines about stereotyping...as they do just those things. Such hypocrites
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    same as always. Respect isn't a given. When you see Trump supporters at his rallies taking in all his lie, offensive comments, and shameful attempts to divide this country, it's hard to generate a hell of a lot of respect. They're entitled , none the less, to respect for their innate dignity of human life. But, I'll be damned if they don't make even that extremely difficult. What's happening to this country is very disturbing. Yet, they show up to see Trump treating it all as some sort of joke. What's so funny about our president behaving like he's lost his ever lovin mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    It is just getting to the point where you can't tell the difference anymore between the parties.
    dems are the ones that didn't elect a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 stringer View Post
    Once again we see the democrats supporting lawlessness. Election day is going to be so great.
    How's the tea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Wow. I wouldn't let this kind of thing go by if it were posted by a righty, so it's only fair to give a lefty thread the same treatment.

    This OP quotes the Daily Kos, which is itself "reporting" on an op-ed in the New York Times. Here's the original: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/o...ly-values.html

    The Kos article doesn't even name the writer of the opinion piece from which it cherrypicks. He's Matthew Schmitz. He's identified as an editorial writer for First Things, which is a conservative Catholic journal.

    The Kos article uses none of language of the original, which characterizes these "garbage" people as having a value system between that of red Republicans and blue Democrats--he calls them "purple" values. Schmitz does everything he can to sympathize with those voters. His view of them is clinical, not judgmental. The NYT headlines labels their views "nuanced."

    The central point of the original article is that Trump's supporters are defined by socio-economic class. Here's what it actually says: The Kos article takes this objective view and labels people "garbage" and impute racism to them, even though the article itself says that such people include "white, black, and Hispanic" people. What unites them is socio-economic class--they are working class and tend to be rural.

    The Kos article also suggests that we should ignore such people and that the navel-gazing we see in publications like NYT and WashPo is counter productive--just write those people off, they are garbage.

    This runs counter to liberal values. Liberals are supposed to see our whole country as one (albeit big, fractious) FAMILY. We can't afford to write off or devalue anyone. Let so-called conservatives and Trumpists do that. Bigotry looks good on them. But this Kos article is bigotry, pretty clearly.
    I was going to thank you and add that it was nice to see a liberal hold everyone to the same account...until you pulled the tired and completely false narrative at the end.

    Conservatives expect society to act colorblind...libs do not want that because the exploitation of these issues is just too important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    It is just getting to the point where you can't tell the difference anymore between the parties.
    I agree with you. Unfortunately, too many people have a polarized mindset and may not see it that way.
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