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    Trump supporters: It turns out they're garbage human beings

    The New York Times has been bending over backwards for months, trying to give Trump supporters the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, there is no benefit to be had. The very nicest thing you can say about them is that they are naive, gullible, and/or willfully ignorant.

    So, since we need a subject to discuss: I keep hearing that we have to suck up to Trump supporters, make them feel heard and important. Can anybody tell me why? Why should I make someone feel heard and important when they have repeatedly stated that all democrats are mentally ill and should probably be shot?

    Further, as near as I can tell, they want this to be a White Christian nation. Black people are not welcome here, nor are brown people, nor are LGBTQ and life would be just peachy if women lost their right to vote, as well as their right to privacy (which is the true bottom line of the abortion issue, it's none of your fucking business what happens in my doctor's office).

    Anyone who supports tearing children from their mothers as a valid means of blackmail to get the wall built is nobody I ever want to meet face-to-face.

    Yes, our country is incredibly polarized. But I'll be damned if I will give an inch to people who have not one drop of sympathy, empathy, compassion or class.

    Plainly put: These are the hallmarks of terrible human beings. People who you would not trust with your children. People you would go out of your way to avoid, if you did care about honesty or family values. These are the people who press their mistresses for abortions but who also are not vexed by abortion-providing doctors being murdered in their Kansas churches; they are confederate flag-wavers in Union states, miffed that new civil rights laws a half century ago slighted their own ne’er-do-well families in some never-quite-describable way; these are people who are so obsessed with the thought that someone better is looking down on them that they are willing to punch whatever kittens need punching in order to prove they're at least better at kitten-punching than the rest of you. The opioid epidemic is centered in Trump-supporting counties. The demand that brown-looking children be placed in detention camps for fear that a terrified 8-year-old might be a hardened gang leader is a phenomenon of Trump-Supporting counties. The insistence that Treason Might Be Good Now is peddled by Fox News celebrities to die-hard Trump supporters who will repeat and retweet it willing and eagerly; it was Trump supporters, Jesus-punchers every one, who gave Alabama crapsack Roy Moore their votes even after his exposure as a child molester—complete with Bible citations from “conservative” pastors arguing that Roy Moore trolling the malls for a child bride was, in fact, in fine Old Testament tradition.

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    You want to find good people, look for the people who are just as poor but care for others anyway, or who are under just as much economic stress but do not use it as excuse for cheating and stealing their way through it—or offering up eager praise for those that do. Good people don't claim to have family values and then discard those values at the drop of a hat when a rich, shouting hatebag they saw on their television set tells them to ignore all that. Good people don't soak themselves in transparent lies about immigrants or minorities, then declare everyone else to be “elites” arrayed against them in “elite”-minded conspiracy when some newspaper, somewhere, points out that those things were, in fact, cheap and tawdry lies.

    The more we hear from Trump defenders, the more transparent it is that they are indeed, well, bad. It's terribly rude to say, and the press cannot say it, but the rest of us can. If you still support Trump at this late date, you are a terrible human being. You should, in fact, feel bad about yourself.

    Yes, the rest of us do indeed look down on these people. Those of us with actual family values do; those of us who care about honesty in government do; those of us who are not furious bulging-eyed racists do; those of us who believe thousands of years of scientific discoveries are worth more than the dribbling pronouncements of a street-corner charlatan do; those of us with actual religious convictions do; those of us who are actual patriots do.
    The Times finally gets to the bottom of Trump supporters: It turns out they're garbage human beings

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    You are flooding the board with this issue. We all fully understand how you feel about children taken from their mothers, and the vast majority of posters here agree, so ??????????????
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    Once again we see the democrats supporting lawlessness. Election day is going to be so great.

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    Wow. I wouldn't let this kind of thing go by if it were posted by a righty, so it's only fair to give a lefty thread the same treatment.

    This OP quotes the Daily Kos, which is itself "reporting" on an op-ed in the New York Times. Here's the original: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/o...ly-values.html

    The Kos article doesn't even name the writer of the opinion piece from which it cherrypicks. He's Matthew Schmitz. He's identified as an editorial writer for First Things, which is a conservative Catholic journal.

    The Kos article uses none of language of the original, which characterizes these "garbage" people as having a value system between that of red Republicans and blue Democrats--he calls them "purple" values. Schmitz does everything he can to sympathize with those voters. His view of them is clinical, not judgmental. The NYT headlines labels their views "nuanced."

    The central point of the original article is that Trump's supporters are defined by socio-economic class. Here's what it actually says:
    A third model can be found among working-class whites, blacks and Hispanics — let’s call it purple. In these families, bonds between mothers and children are prized above those between couples. Unstable relationships are the norm, and fathers quickly end up out of the picture.

    The difference among these three family models explains three different reactions to Mr. Trump’s candidacy. Liberal professionals decried his sexism, which violated the prime value of the blue family model: equality. Elite evangelicals decried his infidelity, which ran counter to the red family model’s stress on fidelity.

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    Baffling as it may be to elites, Mr. Trump embodies a real if imperfect model of family values. People familiar with the purple family model tend to view his alienation from his children’s mother as normal and his closeness to his children as exceptional and admirable. I saw this among my acquaintances in Nebraska. Even those from red families were more likely than my acquaintances in New York to know someone who has had a child out of wedlock or is subject to a restraining order.
    The Kos article takes this objective view and labels people "garbage" and impute racism to them, even though the article itself says that such people include "white, black, and Hispanic" people. What unites them is socio-economic class--they are working class and tend to be rural.

    The Kos article also suggests that we should ignore such people and that the navel-gazing we see in publications like NYT and WashPo is counter productive--just write those people off, they are garbage.

    This runs counter to liberal values. Liberals are supposed to see our whole country as one (albeit big, fractious) FAMILY. We can't afford to write off or devalue anyone. Let so-called conservatives and Trumpists do that. Bigotry looks good on them. But this Kos article is bigotry, pretty clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Wow. I wouldn't let this kind of thing go by if it were posted by a righty, so it's only fair to give a lefty thread the same treatment.

    This OP quotes the Daily Kos, which is itself "reporting" on an op-ed in the New York Times. Here's the original: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/01/o...ly-values.html

    The Kos article doesn't even name the writer of the opinion piece from which it cherrypicks. He's Matthew Schmitz. He's identified as an editorial writer for First Things, which is a conservative Catholic journal.

    The Kos article uses none of language of the original, which characterizes these "garbage" people as having a value system between that of red Republicans and blue Democrats--he calls them "purple" values. Schmitz does everything he can to sympathize with those voters. His view of them is clinical, not judgmental. The NYT headlines labels their views "nuanced."

    The central point of the original article is that Trump's supporters are defined by socio-economic class. Here's what it actually says: The Kos article takes this objective view and labels people "garbage" and impute racism to them, even though the article itself says that such people include "white, black, and Hispanic" people. What unites them is socio-economic class--they are working class and tend to be rural.

    The Kos article also suggests that we should ignore such people and that the navel-gazing we see in publications like NYT and WashPo is counter productive--just write those people off, they are garbage.

    This runs counter to liberal values. Liberals are supposed to see our whole country as one (albeit big, fractious) FAMILY. We can't afford to write off or devalue anyone. Let so-called conservatives and Trumpists do that. Bigotry looks good on them. But this Kos article is bigotry, pretty clearly.
    Good analysis. There aren't very many true "Liberals" in the democrat party leadership these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5 stringer View Post
    Good analysis. There aren't very many true "Liberals" in the democrat party leadership these days.
    This article has nothing to do with leadership in the dem party, so I don't know why your comment is appropriate.
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    Trump supporters are in it for spite:

    That is all that matters to them.
    It’s the reason they voted the way they did.
    It’s the reason their support is steadfast through affairs and cabinet implosions and human rights disasters and wanton ignorance.
    It’s the reason they will keep themselves tethered to him even if he is proven to have leveraged our very nation with the Russian government.

    The story, they say, is that Trump supporters see his Presidency as a big F*ck You to his predecessor, to the identity politics that they feel targeted them, and to an ever-diversifying world that they see as a threat. They want someone to stick it to the world on their behalf and this President does that.

    https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/07/06...ote-for-spite/
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    So, with benefit of doubt they are:
    - nazi
    - fascist
    - deplorables
    - mysoginist
    - racist
    - xenophobe

    What the fuck were they doubting? Whether or not they should be killed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    This article has nothing to do with leadership in the dem party, so I don't know why your comment is appropriate.
    I think it's very appropriate. We'll agree on some things, and disagree on some things. Healthy minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHjulie View Post
    Trump supporters are in it for spite:

    That is all that matters to them.
    It’s the reason they voted the way they did.
    It’s the reason their support is steadfast through affairs and cabinet implosions and human rights disasters and wanton ignorance.
    It’s the reason they will keep themselves tethered to him even if he is proven to have leveraged our very nation with the Russian government.

    The story, they say, is that Trump supporters see his Presidency as a big F*ck You to his predecessor, to the identity politics that they feel targeted them, and to an ever-diversifying world that they see as a threat. They want someone to stick it to the world on their behalf and this President does that.

    https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/07/06...ote-for-spite/
    Much of what you say is right on. However, diversity isn't a problem. The problem is being forced to accept something that we don't want to. I don't care if two guys want to get married. I do care when you target someone simply because they disagree and then you try to destroy their livelihood. That's un-American.

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