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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    That is a very good question...
    I know. That's why the fuck i asked it. You intend to answer it or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
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    I was under the impression Eisenhower already had our foot in the door. Am I wrong?
    No, you are not wrong. He's hanging his position on the term "major way." Which is, of course, quite subjective.
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    JFK got the US into Vietnam.

    In a major way.

    Then LBJ escalated and micromanaged us to defeat.
    I do not agree that JFK got us into Nam in a major way. In 1963, there were approximately 16,000 advisors to the ARVN, mostly special forces in Nam. Combat troops were introduced in 1965 raising the troop level to just over 184,000. 1968 accounted for the highest troop level at 536,000. When I arrived in 1971 with the 196th Chargers, we were considered part of a residual force. Our departure in 1972 was labelled the last of the combat troops leaving a troop level of around 24,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    I do not agree that JFK got us into Nam in a major way. In 1963, there were approximately 16,000 advisors to the ARVN, mostly special forces in Nam. Combat troops were introduced in 1965 raising the troop level to just over 184,000. 1968 accounted for the highest troop level at 536,000. When I arrived in 1971 with the 196th Chargers, we were considered part of a residual force. Our departure in 1972 was labelled the last of the combat troops leaving a troop level of around 24,000.
    Which president do you think got us into Vietnam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    I know. That's why the fuck i asked it. You intend to answer it or something?
    Here?

    Now?

    Right in front of the person who needs the explanation?

    Why not just explain it for the forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Which president do you think got us into Vietnam?
    Define exactly what you mean by "got us into Vietnam."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Here?

    Now?

    Right in front of the person who needs the explanation?

    Why not just explain it for the forum?
    No one has said they need an explanation, or are you saying that YOU are the one that is dumb enough to need an explanation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    No one has said they need an explanation, or are you saying that YOU are the one that is dumb enough to need an explanation?
    No one has SAID they need an explanation.

    But their words have SHOWN that they need an explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Which president do you think got us into Vietnam?
    The answer to that question definitely relies on perspective. When President Kennedy entered the Oval Office there were roughly 700 American soldiers in Nam. When he was assassinated there were about 16,000 military advisers. Unfortunately, due to his assassination, we do not know with certainty what his continued involvement would have been. But it could be said that he escalated our advisory capacity to the ARVN. But it is my opinion that President Johnson created the Nam conflict by introducing combat troops. It was his actions that ultimately cost the lives of around 50,000 American soldiers and injured many more both physically and mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Define exactly what you mean by "got us into Vietnam."
    Got us into Vietnam.

    In a major way.

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