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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I can't understand your post. Can you please expand on this thought?

    It was just a comment on the grammar, or lack thereof.

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    Wow. "Never forget" didn't even last a whole century.

    What dafuq is wrong with these people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Not all American Jews, or Israeli Jews agree with Netanyahu's policies.
    The ones who don't want to be killed by terrorists do.

    Or are you hiding some magical solution to peace in the Middle East that you feel Netanyahu has overlooked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Progressive Democrats increasingly criticize Israel, and could reap political rewards
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    Jul 8, 2018, 6:55 PM ET





    This is an issue I've been following for years tho liberals always seemed intent on denying it.



    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?
    Israel...the country is not the same as the Israeli government under the rule of Bibi Netanyahu. No more than is the USA to blame for the actions of Donald j Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Israel...the country is not the same as the Israeli government under the rule of Bibi Netanyahu. No more than is the USA to blame for the actions of Donald j Trump.
    Liberal criticism of Israel predates Netanyahu.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...beral-zionism/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Israel...the country is not the same as the Israeli government under the rule of Bibi Netanyahu. No more than is the USA to blame for the actions of Donald j Trump.
    Again, what are all these peaceful self-defense tactics that Netanyahu ignores, IYO?

    There are NONE. HAMAS, etc., assures this is true.

    So...are you advocating for the destruction of Israel? Because if not, protesting that nation's defense seems to be an antisemitic, anti-Israel act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    For some, in a rather precarious spot, at least in the short term.

    They cannot vote Republican, especially in today's climate, as that party opposes almost everything else important to them. They also cannot vote for certain Democrats, because this is not merely about opposing certain of Israel's actions, but rather Israel's very existence.

    If a Democrat actually is opposing Israel's existence (or advocates positions amounting to the same thing), then it will - at least in the relevant district - move those Jews into an Independent stance to vote for a third party, or mount a primary challenge (especially in areas where Israel is not relevant to the local agenda anyway), or just stay home from voting altogether. Today's Republican Party certain has little or nothing but support of Israel to offer to most Jews, and for those who cannot emigrate to Israel or elsewhere, that is simply not enough.

    In the longer term, the appropriate thing would be for more Jews, or Democrats who support Israel (there are plenty), to get involved in the political process, including running for office. Jews need to be more engaged, not to disengage.
    I'm not saying jewish folk should switch parties, tho I'm beginning to wonder about Dershowitz. Nor would I ever even presume to. I leave that for the white leftists of the Democratic Party.

    Considering the number of Jewish folk on the supreme court, in congress, the senate, and hollywood I'd say they have an incredible influence on this country. However, this isn't working to their advantage these days in their preferred political party. I'm flabbergasted by what's occurring in the the Democratic Party. I find that amazing.

    Good luck with Jews being able to increase their influence in the present day Democratic Party. You people may one day find yourselves in the position of the white working class......thrown out of that "big Democratic Tent."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    I'm not saying jewish folk should switch parties, tho I'm beginning to wonder about Dershowitz. Nor would I ever even presume to. I leave that for the white leftists of the Democratic Party.

    Considering the number of Jewish folk on the supreme court, in congress, the senate, and hollywood I'd say they have an incredible influence on this country. However, this isn't working to their advantage these days in their prefered political party. I'm flabbergasted by what's occurring in the the Democratic Party.

    Good luck with Jews being able to increase their influence in the present day Democratic Party. You people may one day find yourselves in the position of the white working class......thrown out of that "big Democratic Tent."
    "Thrown out"? As in, nobody Jewish can be a registered Democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    For some, in a rather precarious spot, at least in the short term.

    They cannot vote Republican, especially in today's climate, as that party opposes almost everything else important to them. They also cannot vote for certain Democrats, because this is not merely about opposing certain of Israel's actions, but rather Israel's very existence.

    If a Democrat actually is opposing Israel's existence (or advocates positions amounting to the same thing), then it will - at least in the relevant district - move those Jews into an Independent stance to vote for a third party, or mount a primary challenge (especially in areas where Israel is not relevant to the local agenda anyway), or just stay home from voting altogether. Today's Republican Party certain has little or nothing but support of Israel to offer to most Jews, and for those who cannot emigrate to Israel or elsewhere, that is simply not enough.

    In the longer term, the appropriate thing would be for more Jews, or Democrats who support Israel (there are plenty), to get involved in the political process, including running for office. Jews need to be more engaged, not to disengage.
    So someone who's of Cuban heritage or Mexican heritage would be expected to vote for the party who criticizes those countries the least?

    I've never understood the need for such loyalty towards a country one is not a citizen of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Liberal criticism of Israel predates Netanyahu.

    https://www.commentarymagazine.com/a...beral-zionism/
    People didn't like Hitler's attempt at genocide.
    People don't like Israel's either....
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