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    Progressive Democrats increasingly criticize Israel, and could reap political rewards
    By ROEY HADAR
    Jul 8, 2018, 6:55 PM ET



    ....Some progressive groups have long championed the Palestinian cause, but they were often perceived as on the fringe of the Democratic Party and its platform. James Zogby, the president of the Arab American Institute and former advisor to Reverend Jesse Jackson’s presidential campaigns, has been pushing Democrats to support the Palestinian cause for over 30 years.

    Zogby said recent political developments in both countries have triggered a shift. He credits Sanders for showing that candidates can succeed while embracing grassroots support of the Palestinian cause.

    Bernie’s campaign was significant because, not unlike Jackson, he sort of rode a wave and realized that there was actually a wave to ride. It was a clear bell ringer that something was going on out there and that this issue was going to resonate,” Zogby said in a phone interview with ABC News...
    This is an issue I've been following for years tho liberals always seemed intent on denying it.

    ...Shibley Telhami, a professor at the University of Maryland and a fellow at the Brookings Institution, has polled on American attitudes toward the conflict for over a quarter century. He believes that as public opinion has shifted on the issue, Democratic candidates have responded to their voters and have become less afraid of the repercussions of criticizing the Israeli government.

    “Congressional candidates and politicians who embrace Israel or fail to criticize Israel will not be punished by and large by their constituents,” Telhami said. “Those candidates who take on the Israeli government’s specific policies could be rewarded.”

    Public opinion polling shows that sentiments have indeed shifted, especially among Democrats. According to a Pew Research poll conducted earlier this year, Democratic voters sympathize about equally with the Israelis as the Palestinians, with sympathy for Israel dropping 16 percentage points in the last two years.

    Telhami said Democrats have increasingly seen the conservative Israeli government as one that has an opposing set of values.

    Democrats, even separate from the partisan issue, have basically seen [the Palestinian] issue as part of their value system,” Telhami said. “They increasingly see their values as not a part of the values of Israel.”

    What I'm really interested in is what do our Jewish members on this forum feel about this trend since it's not really in the shadows anymore?...
    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Progressive Democrats increasingly criticize Israel, and could reap political rewards
    By ROEY HADAR
    Jul 8, 2018, 6:55 PM ET





    This is an issue I've been following for years tho liberals always seemed intent on denying it.



    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?
    Not Jewish, me. Not sure why that means my opinion matters less to you.

    I would like to beat liberals who attack Israel about the head with a Dr. Schol's sandal until their ears bleed.

    There is NO pressure applied to "Palestinians" to make peace and respect Israel. There is no better way for Israel to defend itself.

    Cozying up to OUR enemies, because they are persuaded by stupid bloggers that the "Palestinan people" are oppressed.

    By a fucking democracy. With constant international scrutiny.

    And not a fucking word about Duerte, ethnically cleaning the Phillipines. Or civil war in African nations. Etc.

    *Whap, whap, whap!*

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Progressive Democrats increasingly criticize Israel, and could reap political rewards
    By ROEY HADAR
    Jul 8, 2018, 6:55 PM ET





    This is an issue I've been following for years tho liberals always seemed intent on denying it.



    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?
    Are they Americans or are they Israeli's? Are you trying to imply that to oppose ANY of the government of Israel's policies, in ANY way, is to be anti-Jewish?
    Yes or no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Progressive Democrats increasingly criticize Israel, and could reap political rewards
    By ROEY HADAR
    Jul 8, 2018, 6:55 PM ET





    This is an issue I've been following for years tho liberals always seemed intent on denying it.



    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?
    Those candidates who take on the Israeli government’s specific policies could be rewarded.”
    Not all American Jews, or Israeli Jews, agree with Netanyahu's policies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Are they Americans or are they Israeli's? Are you trying to imply that to oppose ANY of the government of Israel's policies, in ANY way, is to be anti-Jewish?
    Yes or no?
    O, I'm sure if I studied the conflict for the last 70 years, I could find a tactical error.

    I am sure there's a healthy debate to be had about the future of Arabs living in Israel. I'm more hawkish than anyone else I know IRL, Jewish or Gentile. I worry there has been a destructive appeasement for decades, and that the ejection of all Arabs from Gaza and the West Bank should have been heavily considered at some point since 1967.

    OTOH, nobody can claim that releasing Gaza and the West Bank to Arab control, whether under the aegis of Jordan or whatever, is worth considering because it has been TRIED TWICE and both times, resulted in other Arab nations making war on Israel and terror attacks by "Palestinians".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    What I'm wondering is just what do Jewish folks, almost all progressives themselves, feel about the the Democratic Party turning on Israel? Where does this leave them?
    For some, in a rather precarious spot, at least in the short term.

    They cannot vote Republican, especially in today's climate, as that party opposes almost everything else important to them. They also cannot vote for certain Democrats, because this is not merely about opposing certain of Israel's actions, but rather Israel's very existence.

    If a Democrat actually is opposing Israel's existence (or advocates positions amounting to the same thing), then it will - at least in the relevant district - move those Jews into an Independent stance to vote for a third party, or mount a primary challenge (especially in areas where Israel is not relevant to the local agenda anyway), or just stay home from voting altogether. Today's Republican Party certain has little or nothing but support of Israel to offer to most Jews, and for those who cannot emigrate to Israel or elsewhere, that is simply not enough.

    In the longer term, the appropriate thing would be for more Jews, or Democrats who support Israel (there are plenty), to get involved in the political process, including running for office. Jews need to be more engaged, not to disengage.
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    Progressive dems increasing criticise israel

    WTH is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Are they Americans or are they Israeli's?
    False dilemma. Israel is important to Jews generally, irrespective of country of birth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    Are you trying to imply that to oppose ANY of the government of Israel's policies, in ANY way, is to be anti-Jewish?
    This is not about opposing specific policies, but Israel's existence. That is not the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Progressive dems increasing criticise israel

    WTH is that?
    I can't understand your post. Can you please expand on this thought?

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