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    Iff'n English was good enough fer Jesus Christ, it oughtter be good enough fer EVERYWON!!
    But he talked funny, what with all those thee and thou, couldst and shouldst and behold words he liked to use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    C'est dommage was one of my favorite phrases, along with "je ne sais pas" and "lentement, s'il vous plait."
    I still know how to ask where the lockers and the library are. (Had to memorize one of those little dialogues in 7th Grade - that one, in particular, stuck.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    That has me remembering my friend who is a teacher and she was telling us a few years ago how concerned she was about how kids write nowadays. Many were using "lol" or text abbreviations in school essays. She was really worried about it. Kids just get in bad habits and get used to using 140 characters for everything. My son texted me once and I showed my daughter and asked "what the hell language is he speaking?"
    A while ago, my husband was sending emails back and forth with a IT guy in California. He really doesn't know the text language very well. Every sentence or so, the guy would use LOL after sentences. Finally, he told the girls at the first desk, "I think this guy likes me or something because he thought LOL meant "Lots of Love" To this day, those girls make fun of him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I teach a lot of Medical Terminology classes and I have a blast with these classes now that every one carries a computer in their hands these days (Smart Phones) I have changed my entire approach to teaching this class...which is basically a foreign language if you think about it. Instead of forcing students to memorize hundreds of terms, I now use computer games such as Kahoots and teach it as a body systems approach. There is no reason to ask students to memorize when they can look some thing up in a second.
    Well, I worry about this trend, too. In the late 1990's, I closely followed an INTENSE argument between the Superintendent of the Denver Public School System and the editor of the editorial pages of The Rocky Mountain News, a now defunct Denver-based newspaper. [It was a GREAT newspaper, though!] The newspaper accused the Superintendent of having an anti-knowledge philosophy of education, and frankly, I think he richly deserved it, based on what he was writing. He was claiming that students didn't actually need to KNOW anything anymore, because anything they needed to know, they could just look up on the Internet. The only thing they really needed to know, he said, was how to use the Internet!


    As an example, he cited the dates of the Civil War. No need to know that it happened from 1861 to 1865, he said. Why make students memorize that, he asked. They can just "look it up", if they ever need that piece of information!


    Well. That IS an anti-knowledge philosophy of education. That is EXACTLY how you end up with college students who confuse the Civil War with the Civil Rights struggle, and end up thinking the Civil War happened in the 1960s. It is how you end up with college students who think that America was fighting China and Russia in World War II-----and there are LOTS of those students around these days! It is how you end up with huge numbers of adults who think that Judge Judy serves on the Supreme Court.


    It is how you end up with a colossally stupid country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    I have access to the full rosetta stone through the university I work for, I really need to start using it again.
    I have heard great reviews about Rosetta Stone. A sales rep I know taught himself Spanish using Rosetta Stone for his first job out of College. Most of his clients were in Mexico at the time. He was pretty fluent...I was impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I teach a lot of Medical Terminology classes and I have a blast with these classes now that every one carries a computer in their hands these days (Smart Phones) I have changed my entire approach to teaching this class...which is basically a foreign language if you think about it. Instead of forcing students to memorize hundreds of terms, I now use computer games such as Kahoots and teach it as a body systems approach. There is no reason to ask students to memorize when they can look some thing up in a second.
    I know its really changing education. I see some older teachers still asking them to remember dates and such and I think its a waste of sorts. Anything that can easily be looked up nowadays is a waste of an education. So much else to learn nowadays. I remember one teacher I had and every now and then the entire test would be dates! Ugh!

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    Oh, I also have to say, I wouldn't idealize Europeans' language skills too much. Yes, it is much more common in Europe than in the US to know at least one foreign language, but that doesn't mean that 100% or even 90% of Europeans are bilingual. I know many Europeans, including those under 40, who only speak their native tongue, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that. Not every European needs another language for their job, and not every European frequently travels out of their own country.

    Plus, I have met MANY of my fellow citizens, some of them with university degrees and very good jobs, who proudly advertise they "speak English fluently" when in reality they know 500 English words and very few grammar rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Very true, google translate is actually very, very good now. I speak English and Spanish natively and German. Honestly, if I had to repeat German, I wouldn't do it. I would spend the time learning something else and not the least of which is fact I have met maybe a handful of Germans who can't speak English. Americans are lucky that the lingua franca of international business is English. Learning language #2 just isn't an imperative in most circumstances.
    Eh. It has it's advantages but trips up quite a bit still.

    Try this:

    1. Take any message - especially a long sentence.
    2. Using Google Translate, translate that from English to Spanish
    3. Then from Spanish to Russian
    4. Then from Russian to Chinese
    5. Then from Chinese to English

    (or any languages as long as you return back to English.)

    "Hello, how are you doing today? We are going on a trip to the mountains and the weather is very warm."

    converts to

    "Hi, the is today. All going uphill to warm nice."

    Often Google Translate will return "Ooops, Google Translate did not respond, please try again." Which is a way of saying it can't convert the language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Well, I worry about this trend, too. In the late 1990's, I closely followed an INTENSE argument between the Superintendent of the Denver Public School System and the editor of the editorial pages of The Rocky Mountain News, a now defunct Denver-based newspaper. [It was a GREAT newspaper, though!] The newspaper accused the Superintendent of having an anti-knowledge philosophy of education, and frankly, I think he richly deserved it, based on what he was writing. He was claiming that students didn't actually need to KNOW anything anymore, because anything they needed to know, they could just look up on the Internet. The only thing they really needed to know, he said, was how to use the Internet!


    As an example, he cited the dates of the Civil War. No need to know that it happened from 1861 to 1865, he said. Why make students memorize that, he asked. They can just "look it up", if they ever need that piece of information!


    Well. That IS an anti-knowledge philosophy of education. That is EXACTLY how you end up with college students who confuse the Civil War with the Civil Rights struggle, and end up thinking the Civil War happened in the 1960s. It is how you end up with college students who think that America was fighting China and Russia in World War II-----and there are LOTS of those students around these days! It is how you end up with huge numbers of adults who think that Judge Judy serves on the Supreme Court.


    It is how you end up with a colossally stupid country.
    Now this I agree. There are certainly dates we should know by heart, but not all. I mean around here teachers get all hung up on the date the first New Englander was killed in the Revolutionary war or what date was Paul Revere's ride. Kids need to know when this happened generally but such picky stuff I dont agree. Its a waste when these kids never heard of the Holocaust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Eh. It has it's advantages but trips up quite a bit still.

    Try this:

    1. Take any message - especially a long sentence.
    2. Using Google Translate, translate that from English to Spanish
    3. Then from Spanish to Russian
    4. Then from Russian to Chinese
    5. Then from Chinese to English

    (or any languages as long as you return back to English.)

    "Hello, how are you doing today? We are going on a trip to the mountains and the weather is very warm."

    converts to

    "Hi, the is today. All going uphill to warm nice."

    Often Google Translate will return "Ooops, Google Translate did not respond, please try again." Which is a way of saying it can't convert the language.
    I am sometimes asked to "make just some minor corrections" in a text "translated" by Google Translate. It's usually more work than translating the whole thing by myself.

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