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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's always been redundant to require an ID at someone's polling place. You can't vote if your name isn't on the registry. Your name can't be on the registry unless you registered to vote. You can't register to vote without valid ID. Once you have voted, your name is checked off of the registry, so you can't vote twice -- nor can anyone else vote in your name.

    Voter ID laws are intended to make it more difficult to vote, just as voter tests and poll taxes were intended for that same purpose back in the Jim Crow era.
    In some states they dont have voter cards so anybody can just say "I am John Smith" and vote. So they normally ask to see proof of who one is. We had a ballot question that asked if we preferred photo ID or to get voter cards with our signatures on them when we vote. Photo ID was approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how undocumenteds or foreigners can vote in any kind of numbers. Hence my question above.

    When you go to your polling place they ask for your name and if your name is on the list then you vote. I've also voted by mail and I just give my name and address and they send me a ballot. Now, if I show up and someone has already voted using my name I will scream bloody murder and so would anyone else. How do people who are not citizens vote in any numbers that could make a difference without a whole bunch of people noticing? I've never been able to figure that out.
    That actually has happened. People go to vote and they say "sorry you already have." We had one case at least where the volunteer was at fault, she was crossing off wrong names because she was hard of hearing. Unfortunately though if you dont see them cross of your name there is nothing that can be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    It's always been redundant to require an ID at someone's polling place. You can't vote if your name isn't on the registry. Your name can't be on the registry unless you registered to vote. You can't register to vote without valid ID. Once you have voted, your name is checked off of the registry, so you can't vote twice -- nor can anyone else vote in your name.

    Voter ID laws are intended to make it more difficult to vote, just as voter tests and poll taxes were intended for that same purpose back in the Jim Crow era.
    Exactly. It's just completely illogical to think hordes of undocumented people and foreigners are voting. It's physically impossible. And you're right. It's all about disenfranchising people who tend to vote for Democrats since old white people are a dwindling demographic and that's who the Republicans are dependent on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    That actually has happened. People go to vote and they say "sorry you already have." We had one case at least where the volunteer was at fault, she was crossing off wrong names because she was hard of hearing. Unfortunately though if you dont see them cross of your name there is nothing that can be done.
    But it can't happen in enough numbers to affect elections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rwb72 View Post
    These are the 2 questions of this OP. I find it quite amazing that Republicans who are running for some political office in November are not up in arms over voting methodology. As it appears right now, ANYBODY in the world could vote in the 2018 election, whether they are a citizen of the USA or not.

    Frankly, what is there to stop them ? 20 states don't even require ID at all. Many more don't require a photo ID, and even the ones that require a photo ID, so what ? Millions of illegal aliens have employee photo IDs. They probably have other photo IDs too. None of these show proof of eligibility to vote, by being a US citizen.

    This crazy situation is undoubtedly one of the reasons why Hillary Clinton got a relatively high popular vote score, especially in California, where illegals are in large numbers. I'm guess her AMERICAN vote score was far below Trump's. Shouldn't there be a way to check citizenship to keep our voting system honest and credible ?

    As for mail voting, this is just about the opposite of a secure voting system. It has the least verification of all. Illegal aliens could be deported to let's say Mexico, and then still vote from there, even after being deported. All they need to is bring the ballot to Mexico with them, fill it out there, and mail it to a relative in Texas or Arizona, and have them send it in. Since you can bet that 95% of those votes would go to Democrats, why are Republicans being so lackadaisical on this, if they're are even doing any thing about it at all ?
    Mr. rqwb72,

    In California, illegals are allowed to vote. You don't have to show a drivers license, nor provide a social security number. You do have the check the box stating "I am a US citizen" though. But seriously, if you are an illegal, or a fraudulent voter, you probably lied about your name, so you would have no problem lying about that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    No absentee voting? That was the original vote by mail scheme.
    We have that but the rules are ridiculous for it. Like one must request the ballot by Sep 18 of this year to vote by November. Then you must have proof of a valid new address or where you will be. Not many people know two months in advance they wont be voting. I was scheduled to have surgery years ago on election day and I went to get an absentee ballot and it was too late. Missed the deadline.

    https://www.fvap.gov/guide/chapter2/new-hampshire

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    In some states they dont have voter cards so anybody can just say "I am John Smith" and vote. So they normally ask to see proof of who one is. We had a ballot question that asked if we preferred photo ID or to get voter cards with our signatures on them when we vote. Photo ID was approved.

    What did you have prior to that ballot initiative? I think that most states do issue voter ID cards. I've used mine as ID to enter Canada in the past. Our voter ID cards were what we presented at our polling places prior to the state passing voter ID laws. We still have the cards that we get when we register, but they will no longer accept them as ID at the polling places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    We have that but the rules are ridiculous for it. Like one must request the ballot by Sep 18 of this year to vote by November. Then you must have proof of a valid new address or where you will be. Not many people know two months in advance they wont be voting. I was scheduled to have surgery years ago on election day and I went to get an absentee ballot and it was too late. Missed the deadline.

    https://www.fvap.gov/guide/chapter2/new-hampshire

    So then, NH does allow voting by mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Mr. rqwb72,

    In California, illegals are allowed to vote. You don't have to show a drivers license, nor provide a social security number. You do have the check the box stating "I am a US citizen" though. But seriously, if you are an illegal, or a fraudulent voter, you probably lied about your name, so you would have no problem lying about that as well.
    How do you originally register? Don't your drivers licenses indicate that people aren't citizens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    But it can't happen in enough numbers to affect elections.
    No it doesnt. But some are already warning to be vigilant this year and now on with various roll purges and what not. Some even say to go in September and make sure you are still registered. Some states have been hacked.
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