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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    When Mueller gets around to indicting Trump, he will have to answer for those crimes. Until then he is the president. If Trump gets booted, Pence takes over. See how that works.
    I used to think Pence would be worse than Trump.

    No more. See how that works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    And?
    Well, RB, trade deficits of some 500 billion are considered bad for the U.S. and good for China.

    trade def·i·cit
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    noun
    plural noun: trade deficits
    the amount by which the cost of a country's imports exceeds the value of its exports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwood Burl View Post
    I used to think Pence would be worse than Trump.

    No more. See how that works?
    Not likely we will ever find out. Trump is president and will stay there.

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    And if the Russians helped Trump, then that is a net good.....#Trumpcult
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ddling/565538/

    The U.S. Needs to Face Up to Its Long History of Election Meddling
    Russian electoral interference has renewed the temptation for American leaders to do the same.



    If Americans believe in these principles, however—if they want to draw a distinction between America’s behavior and Russia’s—then they must defend them not just against Vladimir Putin, but against their own government. Carothers may be right that since the Cold War, America’s electoral interventions have become more transparent and less focused on engineering a particular outcome. But America’s Cold War habits haven’t entirely disappeared. Clinton has admitted that in 1996, the same year he tried to elect Yeltsin, he also “tried to help Shimon Peres to win the election” against Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel. In 2002, a key NED grantee—the International Republican Institute—helped conservative opposition groups in Haiti work to oust left-leaning president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. In his memoir, the former Defense Secretary Robert Gates accuses Richard Holbrooke, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, of “doing his best to bring about the defeat of [Hamid] Karzai” in the Afghan elections of 2009.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ddling/565538/

    The U.S. Needs to Face Up to Its Long History of Election Meddling
    Russian electoral interference has renewed the temptation for American leaders to do the same.



    If Americans believe in these principles, however—if they want to draw a distinction between America’s behavior and Russia’s—then they must defend them not just against Vladimir Putin, but against their own government. Carothers may be right that since the Cold War, America’s electoral interventions have become more transparent and less focused on engineering a particular outcome. But America’s Cold War habits haven’t entirely disappeared. Clinton has admitted that in 1996, the same year he tried to elect Yeltsin, he also “tried to help Shimon Peres to win the election” against Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel. In 2002, a key NED grantee—the International Republican Institute—helped conservative opposition groups in Haiti work to oust left-leaning president Jean-Bertrand Aristide. In his memoir, the former Defense Secretary Robert Gates accuses Richard Holbrooke, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, of “doing his best to bring about the defeat of [Hamid] Karzai” in the Afghan elections of 2009.
    Isn't that just a lame excuse for the intellectual and moral sloth of Trump? Just trying to justify his open and warm embrace of Russia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    No. We're an oppressed minority around here.
    Oh, the drama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fenrir View Post
    Well, RB, trade deficits of some 500 billion are considered bad for the U.S. and good for China.

    trade def·i·cit
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    noun
    plural noun: trade deficits
    the amount by which the cost of a country's imports exceeds the value of its exports.
    Thanks for the dictionary lesson.

    Dumb asses, like yourself, evidently think a $500 billion trade deficit with China can be "equalized" through tariffs.

    The US is an empire. As empires go, the US is far from the worst one. By definition, empires consume more than they produce. The citizens of an empire enjoy more than they produce.

    We have an overall trade deficit with everybody because we consume more than we produce, and, when we run up debt, we create money to pay for it.

    It's a miracle other countries have allowed us to get away with this, but they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    Not likely we will ever find out. Trump is president and will stay there.
    Yeah, yeah, like Trump said, "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

    You'd be saying, the victim walked in front of the bullet. DJ is innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Think for myself View Post
    Isn't that just a lame excuse for the intellectual and moral sloth of Trump? Just trying to justify his open and warm embrace of Russia?
    Is another cold war more appealing to you?

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