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    Is federally funded, universal healthcare constitutional or not? Explain.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='13 August 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1250199386' post='4775']

    Is federally funded, universal healthcare constitutional or not? Explain.

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    I can't find where the government is authorized to do any such thing.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='13 August 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1250199386' post='4775']

    Is federally funded, universal healthcare constitutional or not? Explain.

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    You mean single payer?

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    If not being mentioned in the Constitution equals being unconstitutional - then piloting an aricraft, eating sushi, fiming a movie or masterbating are all unconstitutional.



    Is universal health INSURANCE prohibited in the constitution?

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    [quote name='Blueneck' date='13 August 2009 - 05:19 PM' timestamp='1250201940' post='4792']

    You mean single payer?

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    Yes and any health care funding from the federal government.

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    [quote name='Dr.Knuckles' date='13 August 2009 - 05:20 PM' timestamp='1250202038' post='4793']

    If not being mentioned in the Constitution equals being unconstitutional - then piloting an aricraft, eating sushi, fiming a movie or masterbating are all unconstitutional.



    Is universal health INSURANCE prohibited in the constitution?

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    We are talking about government funding/actions; not individual citizen's actions.



    The Constitution says what the federal government can spend our money on. Why did the founders enumerate specific powers and things they can spend our money on if the federal government could just spend money on whatever they want? Why did the founders even bother to enumerate those things?

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='13 August 2009 - 04:36 PM' timestamp='1250199386' post='4775']

    Is federally funded, universal healthcare constitutional or not? Explain.

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    The General Welfare clause permits it.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='13 August 2009 - 05:36 PM' timestamp='1250199386' post='4775']

    Is federally funded, universal healthcare constitutional or not? Explain.

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    The authority of each branch of government is clearly spelled out, including such socialist policies as providing for the common defense.



    Therefore, it can only be surmised that the Cash for Clunkers program is uncon...er, it can only be surmised that the billion dollar bail-outs....er...fuck.



    Dude, at this point, are you really going to argue the constitutionality of healthcare?

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    [quote name='Silkheat' date='13 August 2009 - 06:37 PM' timestamp='1250203040' post='4805']

    The General Welfare clause permits it.

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    Negative, ghost rider.



    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"





    "With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." – James Madison in letter to James Robertson



    James Madison, Federalist, no. 45, 313--14



    26 Jan. 1788

    The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negociation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will for the most part be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects, which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties and properties of the people; and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.



    The operations of the Federal Government will be most extensive and important in times of war and danger; those of the State Governments, in times of peace and security. As the former periods will probably bear a small proportion to the latter, the State Governments will here enjoy another advantage over the Federal Government. The more adequate indeed the federal powers may be rendered to the national defence, the less frequent will be those scenes of danger which might favour their ascendency over the governments of the particular States.

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/found.../amendXs4.html

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    [quote name='Silkheat' date='13 August 2009 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1250203040' post='4805']

    The General Welfare clause permits it.

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    I disagree. The enumerated powers are for the "general welfare" of the country. Again, why are those powers even enumerated if the federal government can just spend money on whatever they want (as they currently do)?



    Why didn't the founders just stop when they said "general welfare?" Why not just sum it all up with one, cover-all clause?

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