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  1. #21
    Vortex

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    You are right. People get pissed at Bush........and I do too.......but the blame does not stop there. The legislative branch makes the laws in this country, so unless there is an executive order attached to this mexican trucking business, congress is allowing him to get away with it. It is easy to blame one man. But, at this point finger pointing and blaming him doesn't do any good anymore. He is a lame duck and he will get away with whatever the legislature allows him to. We need to start taking a closer look at the ones that are in office now that will be up for re-election and start pointing the finger at some of them.
    Why not stop the generalizations, okay?

    Read the piece "The Bush administration is going ahead with a controversial pilot program giving Mexican trucks greater access to U.S. highways despite a new law by Congress against it." It appears that Bush is ignoring what congress has done, he is ignoring the law. Damn, isn't that odd (shit he does it all the time) Catch the title of this thread "BUSH DEFIES CONGRESS" -- the man thinks he is above the law and defies legislation that has been passed.

    It will take the removal of this man from office to stop his circumventing, ignoring and out and out violating the laws. He is above the law and that is because we remain silent, Congress needs to be reminded that their job is to impeach if the office holder that is abusing the office and violating our laws.

  2. #22
    nonsqtr

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by BushZombie View Post
    The answer is this: Vote out centrist (Blue Dog) Democrats. These people, corporatist mainly, were voted in because for some reason, SOME Democrats think that moving to the center is the answer.

    News Flash: The CENTER is now what USED to be the right. There is no LEFT. It is dead, gone and buried.

    Don't blame all the Dems. They are being blocked by Republicans, and a minority of Democrats who are in the center. REAL Democrats are disgusted with things like this.
    Yeah, it's the same way in the Republican Party too.

    It's like, the nutty ones, aren't the ones on the "fringe" anymore -

    The nutty ones these days, are the ones in the middle -

    And that's a very dangerous situation. Don't you think?

  3. #23
    nonsqtr

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    Why not stop the generalizations, okay?

    Read the piece "The Bush administration is going ahead with a controversial pilot program giving Mexican trucks greater access to U.S. highways despite a new law by Congress against it." It appears that Bush is ignoring what congress has done, he is ignoring the law. Damn, isn't that odd (shit he does it all the time) Catch the title of this thread "BUSH DEFIES CONGRESS" -- the man thinks he is above the law and defies legislation that has been passed.

    It will take the removal of this man from office to stop his circumventing, ignoring and out and out violating the laws. He is above the law and that is because we remain silent, Congress needs to be reminded that their job is to impeach if the office holder that is abusing the office and violating our laws.
    Yes, exactly.

    Bush has no respect for either the Constitution, or the Law.

    He's just a whimsical tyrant, is all.

    And not only that, but the emperor has no clothes.

  4. #24
    Vortex

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by BushZombie View Post
    The answer is this: Vote out centrist (Blue Dog) Democrats. These people, corporatist mainly, were voted in because for some reason, SOME Democrats think that moving to the center is the answer.

    News Flash: The CENTER is now what USED to be the right. There is no LEFT. It is dead, gone and buried.

    Don't blame all the Dems. They are being blocked by Republicans, and a minority of Democrats who are in the center. REAL Democrats are disgusted with things like this.
    I agree with what you have posted, the DLC is as dangerous as any neo-con that exists today. They are one in the same, they just migrate to a label that they believe will give them the power they crave.

    We can blame ourselves more than we can blame congress. It is up to us to tell congress, to make congress understand, that we don't give a shit about politics, what impeachment could do to the '08 races, we care about our nation and the rule of law and this person allegedly acting as our president's disdain for them needs to be stopped.

  5. #25
    nonsqtr

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    the DLC is as dangerous as any neo-con that exists today.
    DLC? Was that a typo, or maybe you can help alleviate my ignorance?

  6. #26
    Vortex

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    DLC? Was that a typo, or maybe you can help alleviate my ignorance?
    The DLC is to the democratic party what the neo-cons have been to the conservatives, GOP.

    DLC: The New Democrat Credo

    You will note that the first identifier in their Credo is about corporations and the econmy, not about the citizens.

    We believe that economic growth generated in the private sector is the prerequisite for opportunity, and that government's role is to promote growth and to equip Americans with the tools they need to prosper in the New Economy.

    They are corporatists that want to play both sides for the power and it is only power and wealth that interests them. If mentioning the citizens helps them attain their goals, then they will mention them.

    They are "moderates" that are not truly a part of the democratic party.

    They, like their counter parts, the neo-cons, have replace "We the People" with "The private sector" - it is the most important thing to them. Corporate wants and needs over the needs of the citizens.

    And yes, HRC is one of them. That is just one of the reasons I don't like her and laugh at the conservatives here that claim she is a socialist.

  7. #27
    Pass the Bong

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by johnflesh View Post
    Offended, no... I just know who not to take seriously. I was following you just fine up until that point.

    Does it ever get embarrassing to be prejudice?
    If someone claims to not be prejudice against something then they are not only a liar but a fool. Evryone is prejudice against someone or something.

    I hate liberals(not all but a huge majority)....I hate morons.....I hate people that wont do for themselves....I hate takers.....I hate white people that act black......I hate black people that act like thugs.....the list goes on and on......but I am not a racist, just a hater of a certain type of people but not because of their skin color but because of their actions.

  8. #28
    BushZombie

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Vortex View Post
    The DLC is to the democratic party what the neo-cons have been to the conservatives, GOP.

    DLC: The New Democrat Credo

    You will note that the first identifier in their Credo is about corporations and the econmy, not about the citizens.

    We believe that economic growth generated in the private sector is the prerequisite for opportunity, and that government's role is to promote growth and to equip Americans with the tools they need to prosper in the New Economy.

    They are corporatists that want to play both sides for the power and it is only power and wealth that interests them. If mentioning the citizens helps them attain their goals, then they will mention them.

    They are "moderates" that are not truly a part of the democratic party.

    They, like their counter parts, the neo-cons, have replace "We the People" with "The private sector" - it is the most important thing to them. Corporate wants and needs over the needs of the citizens.

    And yes, HRC is one of them. That is just one of the reasons I don't like her and laugh at the conservatives here that claim she is a socialist.
    I am reluctant to attack the DLC at this stage. I would rather go after what they call the Blue Dogs. These are the people who vote against the liberal majority. Here is the REAL problem. Even the blue dogs are WAY better than any of the neo conservatives (Which IS the RNC at this stage).

    The bottom line is, the Blue Dogs get corporate funding for campaigns with much greater ease than the grass roots.

    So what should we do?

    (HINT: Publicly Funded Elections)

  9. #29
    Pass the Bong

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by BushZombie View Post
    I am reluctant to attack the DLC at this stage. I would rather go after what they call the Blue Dogs. These are the people who vote against the liberal majority. Here is the REAL problem. Even the blue dogs are WAY better than any of the neo conservatives (Which IS the RNC at this stage).

    The bottom line is, the Blue Dogs get corporate funding for campaigns with much greater ease than the grass roots.

    So what should we do?

    (HINT: Publicly Funded Elections)
    Liberal wet dream....have taxpayers pay for everything

  10. #30
    Vortex

    Re: Bush Defies Congress on Mexican Truck Policy

    Quote Originally Posted by BushZombie View Post
    I am reluctant to attack the DLC at this stage. I would rather go after what they call the Blue Dogs. These are the people who vote against the liberal majority. Here is the REAL problem. Even the blue dogs are WAY better than any of the neo conservatives (Which IS the RNC at this stage).

    The bottom line is, the Blue Dogs get corporate funding for campaigns with much greater ease than the grass roots.

    So what should we do?

    (HINT: Publicly Funded Elections)
    I agree with the publicly funded elections and add to that mandatory equal air time for all the candidates. The public owns the airwaves so we do have a right to an equitable use of them. That has nothing to do with free speech as all of our rights are subject to limitation if exercising that right is harmful to the public. (Yelling "fire" in a theater.) The abuses of the "free speech" principles have brought us to where we are now. Just like our criminal justice system, it is not who is right or wrong (guilty or innocent), it is who can best afford to exercise the right.

    The playing field needs to be leveled and the only way to do that is to remove the money influence from it.

    We don't have "free elections" we have bought and paid for candidates doing infomercials before the circus that is an election is had.

    We also need to stick to hand counted, paper ballots and do away with the electoral college.

    So what if it takes a week or three to count the ballots. I'd rather each ballot be cast and counted accurately and legally than to have results at 11:00. Our president should be the candidate that won the most votes of the citizens, the popular vote.

    Yes, the Blue Dogs are influenced by the DLC, that is the group that promotes "compromise", that controls the corporate monies that are sunk into the campaign coffers of those serving. And again, I point to the Credo, their priorities (after the flowery prose relating to former leaders) which are set out in that credo. The people, the citizens that office holders serve, the people of "We the People" seem to fall last on the list. How very telling indeed.

    In keeping with our party's grand tradition, we reaffirm Jefferson's belief in individual liberty and capacity for self-government. We endorse Jackson's credo of equal opportunity for all, special privileges for none. We embrace Roosevelt's thirst for innovation and Kennedy's summons to civic duty. And we intend to carry on Clinton's insistence upon new means to achieve progressive ideals.

    We believe that the promise of America is equal opportunity for all and special privilege for none. We believe that economic growth generated in the private sector is the prerequisite for opportunity, and that government's role is to promote growth and to equip Americans with the tools they need to prosper in the New Economy.

    We believe that government programs should be grounded in the values most Americans share: work, family, personal responsibility, individual liberty, faith, tolerance, and inclusion.

    We believe in community; that we can achieve our individual destinies only if we share a commitment to our national destiny. We believe in an ethic of mutual responsibility in which government has an obligation to create opportunity for citizens, but citizens have an obligation to give something back to the commonwealth.

    We believe America has a responsibility to lead the world toward greater political and economic freedom.

    We believe that as advocates of activist government, we need to reinvent government so that it is both more responsive and more accountable to those it serves and to the taxpayers who pay for it.

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