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Thread: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

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    Nerv14

    Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    I originally completely supported embargos on countries that we were unfriendly with and that could possibly harm us in some way. For instance I supported an embargo on Iran but not Cuba, because what could Cuba do to hurt us?

    But now I am thinking that if we trade food and other non-military supplys with unfriendly nations then all it will do is bring their people out of poverty. That would give us a better influence on their population and also help us economically of course. So, we should possibly support trading with our enemies because we would then be unethically hurting their population.

    So maybe we could take a route of only trading with countries in that way if we want to influence their population. So in that case, it would include trading with Iran

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    Freedom for All

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Hmmmm....wouldn't it be wiser to be DRILLING OUR OWN DAMN OIL before talking about embargoing any other country for any purpose whatsoever?

    And DRILLING OUR OWN DAMN OIL means:

    Identifying where in our territory the oil exists.
    Poking a hole in the ground or seabed and sucking the oil up.
    Refining the oil in American refineries for use in America.

    DRILLING OUR OWN DAMN OIL does not mean "allowing" oil on the far fringes of the Continental shelf, where there's apperently little enough oil, and permitting the individual states to regulate drilling where the oil is, just off shore.

    The states do not have rights to control the sea that far out. Three miles is their limit. The rest is federal territory.

    Besides, if they can build stupid windmills in the water just offshore, it's chauvinistic to think the tourists won't enjoy some really cool drilling platforms, too.

    I always sail my boat to the drilling platforms between Seal Beach and Catalina. They're cool.

    Not to mention fish havens.

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    Nerv14

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    lol FFA, this was not suppose to be a thread about drilling for oil, but since no one else has responded... that is fine.

    Anyway, won't it take around 10 years to get any oil from a new rig?
    I still support all offshore drilling though.

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    Defensor

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Short answer: No.

    And "we" don't make embargoes. Government does.

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    Nerv14

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Defensor View Post
    Short answer: No.

    And "we" don't make embargoes. Government does.
    If I didn't think that America should feel unfriendly towards other nations then I would feel that same as you.

    We are part of the government so we are still having the embargos anyway.

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    International Underwriter

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    I originally completely supported embargos on countries that we were unfriendly with and that could possibly harm us in some way. For instance I supported an embargo on Iran but not Cuba, because what could Cuba do to hurt us?

    But now I am thinking that if we trade food and other non-military supplys with unfriendly nations then all it will do is bring their people out of poverty. That would give us a better influence on their population and also help us economically of course. So, we should possibly support trading with our enemies because we would then be unethically hurting their population.

    So maybe we could take a route of only trading with countries in that way if we want to influence their population. So in that case, it would include trading with Iran
    NO! Embargoes are essentially declarations of war and poor politics. Cuba anyone?

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    Nerv14

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by International Underwriter View Post
    NO! Embargoes are essentially declarations of war and poor politics. Cuba anyone?
    I agreed with you on Cuba, that is in my post.


    But what about a country like Iran or a violent dictatorship in Africa?

    Iran shouldn't get nuclear capabilities and in the past they have helped insurgents in Iraq against us.

    Embargos are the only other real pressure we can put on a country besides actually declaring war with them.

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    International Underwriter

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    I agreed with you on Cuba, that is in my post.


    But what about a country like Iran or a violent dictatorship in Africa?

    Iran shouldn't get nuclear capabilities and in the past they have helped insurgents in Iraq against us.

    Embargos are the only other real pressure we can put on a country besides actually declaring war with them.
    Embargoes only alienate the population and ultimately force them to support the corrupt dictatorship we are trying to replace.

    We won over the Soviet Union and others mostly by exporting and making them want our lifestyle, decadent as it may be. A message totally lost on the idiots running this country.

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    Nerv14

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by International Underwriter View Post
    Embargoes only alienate the population and ultimately force them to support the corrupt dictatorship we are trying to replace.

    We won over the Soviet Union and others mostly by exporting and making them want our lifestyle, decadent as it may be. A message totally lost on the idiots running this country.
    wow that is a pretty big claim. I thought that it was common knowedge that we beat the Soviet Union by using our more efficent economy to outspend them militarily. Then when they couldn't keep up with our military costs they imploded.

    Just curious... do you have any facts to back up that claim? I can get some for mine if you don't believe that it was the main reason.

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    GraspingForPeace

    Re: Should we have an embargo on some unfriendly nations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    wow that is a pretty big claim. I thought that it was common knowedge that we beat the Soviet Union by using our more efficent economy to outspend them militarily. Then when they couldn't keep up with our military costs they imploded.

    Just curious... do you have any facts to back up that claim? I can get some for mine if you don't believe that it was the main reason.
    Embargoes do nothing but cause anger and resentment towards us. Essentially we are cutting lifelines from countries for some obscure gain in the future. The governments don't get affected by this, the people do. This is what causes hatred among many countries. The government of said country can just play it off as we are the bad guys, gaining support and declaring us the bad guys.

    Look at Cuba, have the embargoes had ANY effect except to limit the monetary gain of trade? No. Fidel has stayed in power and we have been declared the big bad country.

    During the Cold War, we still participated in trade with the USSR, and fought proxy wars all over the world. The collapse of the USSR came from their central government not being able to keep up a standing army and propping up governments.

    Why not open trade with everybody and let our ways be spread that way, instead of at the point of a gun?

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