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  1. #1
    Stinger

    Obama the Socialist revealed

    Here it is, Biden can't deny it anymore

    "Obama is talking about the victories of the civil rights movement, and says, "You know if you look at the victories and the failures of the Civil Rights movement and its litigation strategy in the Court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I would be okay. But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.... And one of the I think the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court focused I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change and in some ways we still suffer from that.""

    YouTube - Obama Bombshell Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered

    OBAMA SAYS CONSTITUTION DEEP FLAW CONTINUES TODAY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

    The fundimental change for America that Obama wants is that American will not fundimentally no longer be America. Your property is not yours but the states to be redistributed as politicians see fit.

    Welcome to ObamaWorld. All hail Obama.

  2. #2
    Nerv14

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    As I have said in another post... McCain also apparently believes in wealth redistribution because he doesn't have a fair tax and he is still keeping medicare and medicaid.

    If you are going to say that Obama of all people is a socialist, then you will also need to say that McCain is one. But Obama is obviously more left, but that is besides that point with the extreme claims that you are making without thinking about what McCain's policies are as well.

    Just because McCain doesn't say that he supports wealth distribution, the real indicators of who they are will always be their policies. McCain's are also your watered down version of socialism.

  3. #3
    Stinger

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    As I have said in another post... McCain also apparently believes in wealth redistribution........
    Not nearly to the extend that Obama does, who actually believes the constitution is flawed because it doesn't call for it.

    If you are going to say that Obama .....
    Obama is saying it himself. McCain will continue the current rates and has proposed no policies of direct wealth redistribution. Do I agree with all his programs and policies nope. But compared to Obama he is Milton Freeman.

  4. #4
    Nerv14

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    Not nearly to the extend that Obama does, who actually believes the constitution is flawed because it doesn't call for it.
    Obama is saying it himself. McCain will continue the current rates and has proposed no policies of direct wealth redistribution. Do I agree with all his programs and policies nope. But compared to Obama he is Milton Freeman.
    No, McCain still supports wealth distribution in those programs that I mentioned and in the progressive income tax.

    Compared to Obama McCain is much more economically conservative, but if you are going to call Obama a socialist... then McCain also must be a socialist because they both support wealth distribution but not a completely centralized economy.

    That is all I am saying, if you are going to have such extreme views about Obama, then McCain will still be a socialist.

    That is why I don't consider neither of them socialists, because they aren't.


    Edit: by Obama and McCain's action they both don't support following the Constitution because McCain doesn't want to get rid of all of the federal powers that aren't designated in the Constitution.

    So Obama follows it less, but if Obama should be attacked on his Constitution stance, then so should McCain. Obama is at least vocal about what his policies mean.

  5. #5
    Stinger

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    No, McCain still supports
    this has nothing to do with what McCain supports or existing Medicare and Medicaid which are insurance programs we all pay into and recieve a benifit...............that's a spcious argument.

    This has to do with the fact that Obama supports direct wealth redistribution, has been caught stating it straight out.
    wealth distribution in those programs that I mentioned and in the progressive income tax.

    Compared to Obama McCain is much more economically conservative,
    The understatement of the year.

    but if you are going to call Obama a socialist... then McCain also must be a socialist because they both support wealth distribution but not a completely centralized economy.
    Wrong.

    That is all I am saying, if you are going to have such extreme views about Obama,
    How is holding Obama to his own words extremist. What is extremist is trying to excuse Obama's clearly stated support for Socialism and direct wealth distribution.
    then McCain will still be a socialist.

    That is why I don't consider neither of them socialists, because they aren't.
    One is as he clearly stated in his own words.

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    Nerv14

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    this has nothing to do with what McCain supports or existing Medicare and Medicaid which are insurance programs we all pay into and recieve a benifit...............that's a spcious argument.
    How is it a spicious arugment? McCain supports wealth distribution by supporting those programs, and you are attacking Obama for also supporting wealth distribution.
    This has to do with the fact that Obama supports direct wealth redistribution, has been caught stating it straight out.
    wealth distribution in those programs that I mentioned and in the progressive income tax.
    So does McCain... in those programs that I stated and the progressive income tax system.
    Wrong.
    How? I am showing how it is right. They both support wealth distribution
    How is holding Obama to his own words extremist. What is extremist is trying to excuse Obama's clearly stated support for Socialism and direct wealth distribution.
    then McCain will still be a socialist.
    I am not saying that holding Obama to his words is incorrect, but as I have said, many, many times in this thread.

    McCain supports "socialism" by not wanting to dismantle the federal wealth distribution systems.
    One is as he clearly stated in his own words.
    and McCain doesn't support the Constitution by his polices. They are in the same boat in that respect.

    Let me help you out.

    I think it would be acceptable for you to say that Obama supports wealth distribution too much and that McCain has the right ballance. (but McCain still supports breaking the Constitution like Obama does)

    But you are instead saying that since Obama supports wealth distribution he is a socialist who doesn't respect the Constitution.

    The problem is that McCain supports those same things as Obama.



    I think it would be acceptable for McCain to make these comments at Obama specifically if McCain said that he supports getting rid of all wealth distribution, but he just doesn't think that they will pass in Congress. But if McCain had his way, then wealth distribution and trashing the Constitution would still exist.

    Do you see what I am saying?

  7. #7
    Freedom for All

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    As I have said in another post... McCain also apparently believes in wealth redistribution because he doesn't have a fair tax and he is still keeping medicare and medicaid.

    If you are going to say that Obama of all people is a socialist, then you will also need to say that McCain is one. But Obama is obviously more left, but that is besides that point with the extreme claims that you are making without thinking about what McCain's policies are as well.

    Just because McCain doesn't say that he supports wealth distribution, the real indicators of who they are will always be their policies. McCain's are also your watered down version of socialism.

    The difference between McCain and Obama is simple.

    Obie is a messianic socialist.

    McCain is just a Republican, and not inherently diseased, as Obama is.

  8. #8
    Freedom for All

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    No, McCain still supports wealth distribution in those programs that I mentioned and in the progressive income tax.

    Compared to Obama McCain is much more economically conservative, but if you are going to call Obama a socialist... then McCain also must be a socialist because they both support wealth distribution but not a completely centralized economy.


    So what? It's clear the bigger disaster is going to be the dude from Krypton.

  9. #9
    Nerv14

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom for All View Post
    The difference between McCain and Obama is simple.

    Obie is a messianic socialist.

    McCain is just a Republican, and not inherently diseased, as Obama is.
    You can believe that.

    But that still means that McCain support wealth distribution and violating the Constitution. And if violating the Constitution and supporting wealth distribution are going to be criteria of being a socialist (which they aren't) then McCain is also a socialist.

    I just don't think that it is fair to critisize Obama for those same reasons, if someone supports McCain.

  10. #10
    Freedom for All

    Re: Obama the Socialist revealed

    Quote Originally Posted by Nerv14 View Post
    You can believe that.
    I don't have to believe it.

    I'm mature enough to accept the truth without requiring faith.

    McCain is the lesser of two evils, and Obama is a very great evil indeed.

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