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  1. #1
    Stinger

    And they flip again

    Obama Offers D.C. Voucher Program Extension for Existing Students | 44 | washingtonpost.com

    First they break the hearts of over 1500 DC students by flippantly telling them they will no longer receive the vouchers that are allowing them attend safe, excellent schools where they are receiving an excellent education in order to satisfy the unions, saying the program is no good it doesn't work etc etc. and now because it made him look so bad Obama flips and allows any current students to compete the program and graduate from the schools they now attend but shut it down for any future students.

    This shows you how policy is determined when you are governed by two things, the unions and your own narcissism.

    It makes no sense. If the program is so bad for the students they have to shut it down, even though it will cost the school system more per student, then why let the students in the program wallow away in such a bad program, get them out NOW and place them back in the wonderful DC system.

    Or if the program is so good, as SecEd Duncan said it didn't make sense "to take kids out of a school where they're happy and safe and satisfied and learning," SO WHY ARE THEY SHUTTING IT DOWN!!! They should be expanding it.

    It makes no sense until you realize they don't care about those inner city kids, they only care about their own political futures.

  2. #2
    metheron

    Re: And they flip again

    I would think that this would be something you would celebrate. Tehy are going to quit spending federal dollars on a program that is not showing any gains. Isn't that agood thing?

    No one said the program was so bad it should be shut down....they said it was very bad for the 'publc schools' in the D.C. area. As there have been no substantial gains overall, it makes sense to discontinue the program.

    It also makes sense to allow the current students to finsih out their schooling in the schools that they started in. Their skills aren't diminishing and it allows them to stay withn their friends.

  3. #3
    Stinger

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I would think that this would be something you would celebrate. Tehy are going to quit spending federal dollars on a program that is not showing any gains. Isn't that agood thing?
    The premise of your question is fallacious.

    No one said the program was so bad it should be shut down....they said it was very bad for the 'publc schools' in the D.C. area. As there have been no substantial gains overall, it makes sense to discontinue the program.
    The premise of your conclusion is fallacious.

    But feel free to show that the DC schools are just as good as Sidwell where several of these students attend. Prove to me the 1500+ parents are wrong that their children would get a better education at higher cost to the government in the DC public schools.

  4. #4
    metheron

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    The premise of your question is fallacious.



    The premise of your conclusion is fallacious.

    But feel free to show that the DC schools are just as good as Sidwell where several of these students attend. Prove to me the 1500+ parents are wrong that their children would get a better education at higher cost to the government in the DC public schools.

    I need not prove anything, I just read the article that you presented as reference. If you have different information maybe you should present that. Otherwise expect people to debate facts presented.

    As far as my fallaciousness, I find your hypocrisy laughable.

  5. #5
    Stinger

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    I need not prove anything, I just read the article that you presented as reference. If you have different information maybe you should present that. Otherwise expect people to debate facts presented.
    So you had no basis for your assertion that the program has not produced any gains.

    Didn't think so.

    As far as my fallaciousness,
    I said the premise of your question is fallacious, read more carefully.

    I find your hypocrisy laughable.
    And when you have nothing of substance...........................

  6. #6
    metheron

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    So you had no basis for your assertion that the program has not produced any gains.

    Didn't think so.
    Here is my basis:

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger's source
    But liberal education groups, including the National Education Association, have argued that the experimental program is poorly administered and that voucher recipients have not performed measurably better in their new schools.
    If your own support documents are not even qualified as legitimate sources, then why do you read them?

  7. #7
    Stinger

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Here is my basis:



    If your own support documents are not even qualified as legitimate sources, then why do you read them?
    Oh the UNIONS told you............................................... .:laughing:

    Democrats Delay Release of Report Showing Success of DC Voucher Program Until After Senate Can Vote to Kill It



    On Tuesday, March 10, the U.S. Senate voted to terminate the experimental Washington, DC school voucher program, which had been implemented in order to help provide poor minority children in failing DC schools with the same educational opportunities that so many children of Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents within the district have as a result of their advantageous birth.
    LiveLeak.com - Democrats Delay Release of Report Showing Success of DC Voucher Program Until After Senate Can Vote to Kill It

    "Working Well John Schilling, chief of staff and director of national projects for the DC-based Alliance for School Choice, applauded the Bush administration's proposed budget for DC schools.
    "Boosting the funding levels for DC Public Schools, public charter schools, and the Opportunity Scholarship Program will help all three sectors and aid these reform efforts," Schilling said. "The increased funding is especially important for the scholarship program.
    "This is a program that is working phenomenally well for nearly 2,000 very low-income children and enjoys overwhelming parental satisfaction," Schilling noted, "yet [it] receives significantly less funding than DCPS or charter schools."
    Andrew Coulson, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom, said the budget proposal is a mixed blessing. Coulson called the modest funding increase for the District's school voucher program a "great thing," since it will "bring the option of independent schooling within reach of more low-income families.""
    President Proposes Expanding DC School Voucher Program - by Dan Lips - School Reform News


    "I think we should also take note that DC Mayor Adrian Fenty and Chancellor Michelle Rhee, both of whom are acting courageously to try to improve the schools in the District, favor keeping the program.

    The Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune, the Wall Street Journal editorial pages have all voiced support of this program since this omnibus language was introduced in the House. The DC program is being singled out. "
    United States Senator - Lamar Alexander - Speeches

  8. #8
    Stinger

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Here is my basis:



    If your own support documents are not even qualified as legitimate sources, then why do you read them?
    Did you miss my response?

  9. #9
    metheron

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by Stinger View Post
    Did you miss my response?
    Nah, I just really did not see the point in arguing with someone that would invalidate their own source that they presented for evidence. Seems to invalidate the whole thread to me. Have fun though.

  10. #10
    Stinger

    Re: And they flip again

    Quote Originally Posted by metheron View Post
    Nah, I just really did not see the point in arguing with someone that would invalidate their own source that they presented for evidence. Seems to invalidate the whole thread to me. Have fun though.
    The cited source gave both sides views, like we do here, so I refuted yours, now it's your turn. You cited what was nothing more than a selfserving opinion of the Union. I gave you actual studies and evidence.

    Ball in your court.

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