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    Those of you who want government funded health care, why does it have to be paid for by the federal government? The constitutional way is to allow the states to decide. The federal government does not have this power; the states do.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='04 September 2009 - 12:14 PM' timestamp='1252091679' post='16825']

    Those of you who want government funded health care, why does it have to be paid for by the federal government? The constitutional way is to allow the states to decide. The federal government does not have this power; the states do.

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    Because the plan is to insure all uninsured Americans. Not just the ones in the Blue States. If the bills pass congress it's constitutional. Letting the states decide is not the only constitutional way to pass government funded healthcare.

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    [quote name='Goldwater' date='04 September 2009 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1252093894' post='16836']

    Because the plan is to insure all uninsured Americans. Not just the ones in the Blue States. If the bills pass congress it's constitutional. Letting the states decide is not the only constitutional way to pass government funded healthcare.

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    And what if the red states don't want government health care?



    The passage of a bill by Congress does not mean it's constitutional.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='04 September 2009 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1252094348' post='16838']

    And what if the red states don't want government health care?

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    The representative(s) and Senators from each Red State can vote against HR3200 with the public option if the people within that state hate the poor. But if the bill passes it's a federal program and the Red states can't attempt to deny medical care to public option beneficiaries.



    [quote name='Conservative15' date='04 September 2009 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1252094348' post='16838']The passage of a bill by Congress does not mean it's constitutional.

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    It doesn't mean it's unconsitutional either, burdon of proof is on you.

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    [quote name='Goldwater' date='04 September 2009 - 02:09 PM' timestamp='1252094956' post='16841']

    The representative(s) and Senators from each Red State can vote against HR3200 with the public option if the people within that state hate the poor. But if the bill passes it's a federal program and the Red states can't attempt to deny medical care to public option beneficiaries.





    It doesn't mean it's unconsitutional either, burdon of proof is on you.

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    actually the burdon of proof is on the feds.. they have to prove to the voters that tax payer funded healthcare is a federal function

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    [quote name='Goldwater' date='04 September 2009 - 03:51 PM' timestamp='1252093894' post='16836']

    Because the plan is to insure all uninsured Americans. Not just the ones in the Blue States. If the bills pass congress it's constitutional. Letting the states decide is not the only constitutional way to pass government funded healthcare.

    [/quote] Now how many would that be? How many of those already qualify for a current program?

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    [quote name='Goldwater' date='04 September 2009 - 03:09 PM' timestamp='1252094956' post='16841']It doesn't mean it's unconsitutional either, burdon of proof is on you.

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    Congress only has specific powers and those powers are enumerated in the constitution. Any power not listed goes to the states (10th amendment). Don't like that fact, then amend the constitution. There is a process for that. Don't just trample and side-step the contract (constitution) that we have with our government.

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    Government funded healthcare is constitutional. Otherwise Medicare/Medicaid would have been found unconstitutional 40 years ago. The question is whether you believe healthcare is a right or a priviledge? It's not about rationing; we already have that; based on income and age. If your rich or old you have or can get coverage. If your neither, its whether you can get hired by an employer who offers it; otherwise you don't get it until you are so ill that the hospital Emergency Room has to take you in when it costs the most to care for you.

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    [quote name='Conservative15' date='04 September 2009 - 01:48 PM' timestamp='1252097330' post='16859']

    Congress only has specific powers and those powers are enumerated in the constitution. Any power not listed goes to the states (10th amendment). Don't like that fact, then amend the constitution. There is a process for that. Don't just trample and side-step the contract (constitution) that we have with our government.

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    Here's how I see the Constitution and all things Obama. If you believe that the enumerated powers are the limit to the power congress and the senate have to make laws....if that were the case you would have just made the lives of federal legislators a whole lot less difficult. But you didn't. And you can't just act like the last 50 years didn't happen. During the US's post WWII expansion, of which we now experiencing the contraction thereof, things just got more complicated. I often wonder what the downside would have been if the fed stayed smaller and state governments got huge. The states would have had thier greedy, stupid, and corrupt officials too...it's the trapping of power. Obama cannot shrink a government at the same time he's trying to do all he can to heal a wrecked economy because the shrinking would have to be made up at the state level. And not all states believe that states should do everything, like Blue States. Despite what you hear on Fox News and Conservative radio, half the country are still Democrats.



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    Wonder where all the constitutionalists were when George Bush and his republican rubber stamp congress was adding a big give-a-way to Medicare? It seems that only things that Obama tries to do is unconstitutional. If the "conservatives" actually believe their own rhetoric, let them go out to the town hall meetings and demand that Medicare be ended. Instead, they're using it by saying we can't have any more government health care programs because it will cause medicare to pull the plug on grandma. How stupid, if the government wanted to cut benifits for medicare patients, they could do it anyway.

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