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    President Obama is a lying sack of shit!

    Marijuana dispensary operator Aaron Sandusky sentenced to 10 years - Pasadena Star-News

    A Rancho Cucamonga CA man was just sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for owing and operating a medical marijuana dispensary, which is legal in the State of California.

    President Obama said he would "not interfere" with the will of the People in medical marijuana states. He lied.

    The largest medical dispensary in California was just shut down by federal authorities. Why? Because they were operating a "training school" for young socially-minded enterpreneurs who want to get into the medical marijuana business. (It is, after all, a ten billion dollar a year industry).

    Oaksterdam University Raid: Federal Agents Take Over Marijuana College

    So now Obama is saying the exact same thing again, he's going to "respect" the will of the People in Washington and Colorado, both of which have just legalized marijuana entirely (for recreation too, not just for medical use).

    I am now opening a lottery on how long it's going to be before we see a federal bust in one of these two states.

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    Obama isn't running every agency in the nation. If some law enforcement executive steps up and does his job as he sees fit, Obama may not have much he can do about it. He's the President, not the King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Obama isn't running every agency in the nation. If some law enforcement executive steps up and does his job as he sees fit, Obama may not have much he can do about it. He's the President, not the King.
    He could make this whole thing stop with two phone calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    He could make this whole thing stop with two phone calls.
    Not necessarily.

    Laws are passed by the House and Senate (as you well know). The President cannot just end legislation with a phone call, or the stroke of a pen.

    He may be able to call up the agencies and suggest that they alter their policies to conform to state legislation and the will of the people in California and Colorado. But that doesn't mean that they can all just ignore the law as written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Marijuana dispensary operator Aaron Sandusky sentenced to 10 years - Pasadena Star-News

    A Rancho Cucamonga CA man was just sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for owing and operating a medical marijuana dispensary, which is legal in the State of California.

    President Obama said he would "not interfere" with the will of the People in medical marijuana states. He lied.

    The largest medical dispensary in California was just shut down by federal authorities. Why? Because they were operating a "training school" for young socially-minded enterpreneurs who want to get into the medical marijuana business. (It is, after all, a ten billion dollar a year industry).

    Oaksterdam University Raid: Federal Agents Take Over Marijuana College

    So now Obama is saying the exact same thing again, he's going to "respect" the will of the People in Washington and Colorado, both of which have just legalized marijuana entirely (for recreation too, not just for medical use).

    I am now opening a lottery on how long it's going to be before we see a federal bust in one of these two states.


    Not saying that this was the case here but Ca and it's citizens have gained a bad reputation as far as the abuse of Prop 215 as it is written. There are reams of instances where people (patients and nonpatients) are using the Medical dispensaries for a criminal enterprise. The law is written the way it is for a reason..and it was a good law from the outset but greed has screwed it up for the very people it was meant to benefit.
    Just as the laws are written in the recently passed legalization in Wash and Co..it does NOT allow for many circumstances concerning the transportation of or where it takes place and yes you can bet there will be certain circumstances where the feds will step in..because greed will overcome common sense in those situations as well..you can count on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NiteGuy View Post
    Not necessarily.

    Laws are passed by the House and Senate (as you well know). The President cannot just end legislation with a phone call, or the stroke of a pen.

    He may be able to call up the agencies and suggest that they alter their policies to conform to state legislation and the will of the people in California and Colorado. But that doesn't mean that they can all just ignore the law as written.
    The law as written delegates jurisdiction over the Schedules to the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Who works for the President. The first phone call would be to her, saying "please remove marijuana from Schedule I". That would place it into a category where it can actually be dispensed for medical purposes (Schedule I means "no medicinal value").

    Which intially would make it a prescription medication - which then falls under the jurisdiction of the FDA. And, same situation here, the authority over prescription meds is in the hands of the Commissioner of the FDA, and I'm sure Dr. Hamburg would be more than happy to approve marijuana for over-the-counter use.

    Absolutely, it would be that easy.

    But instead, our lyin' weasel President (ahem... ) is using the un-Constitutional federal RICO laws to threaten dispensary operators - and not only the operators themselves, but also the owners of the buildings they're renting. This is happening now, today. It happened on the very same day that LieBama said he was going to "respect" the will of the People.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    Marijuana dispensary operator Aaron Sandusky sentenced to 10 years - Pasadena Star-News

    A Rancho Cucamonga CA man was just sentenced to 10 years in federal prison for owing and operating a medical marijuana dispensary, which is legal in the State of California.

    President Obama said he would "not interfere" with the will of the People in medical marijuana states. He lied.

    The largest medical dispensary in California was just shut down by federal authorities. Why? Because they were operating a "training school" for young socially-minded enterpreneurs who want to get into the medical marijuana business. (It is, after all, a ten billion dollar a year industry).

    Oaksterdam University Raid: Federal Agents Take Over Marijuana College

    So now Obama is saying the exact same thing again, he's going to "respect" the will of the People in Washington and Colorado, both of which have just legalized marijuana entirely (for recreation too, not just for medical use).

    I am now opening a lottery on how long it's going to be before we see a federal bust in one of these two states.
    From your second link...

    Sandusky "used G3 as a means to replace the vast income he lost from the collapse of his real estate business," Anderson wrote. "Defendant built a veneer of legitimacy around his criminal enterprise using his customers' good-faith search for pain relief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nonsqtr View Post
    The law as written delegates jurisdiction over the Schedules to the Administrator of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Who works for the President. The first phone call would be to her, saying "please remove marijuana from Schedule I". That would place it into a category where it can actually be dispensed for medical purposes (Schedule I means "no medicinal value").

    Which intially would make it a prescription medication - which then falls under the jurisdiction of the FDA. And, same situation here, the authority over prescription meds is in the hands of the Commissioner of the FDA, and I'm sure Dr. Hamburg would be more than happy to approve marijuana for over-the-counter use.

    Absolutely, it would be that easy.

    But instead, our lyin' weasel President (ahem... ) is using the un-Constitutional federal RICO laws to threaten dispensary operators - and not only the operators themselves, but also the owners of the buildings they're renting. This is happening now, today. It happened on the very same day that LieBama said he was going to "respect" the will of the People.
    Come on Non, I know that you know better than this.

    1) Obama is not micromanaging every agency down to your local street sweeper.
    2) Obama may have said that he isn't going to take any action on these things, but that certainly doesn't mean that he will take action to protect "state legal" drug use from federal law enforcement agencies that take action against the pot groups.
    3) If Obama does, you know that it's going to involve a big fight with the GOP and he obviously has issues that he cares about and is not going to waste his time and resources over something that's not a priority like pot legalization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Come on Non, I know that you know better than this.

    1) Obama is not micromanaging every agency down to your local street sweeper.
    He doesn't have to. The DEA Administrator reports to the Attorney General, and the Attorney General reports to the President. Obama could put the whole thing on a formal footing by requesting a "finding" from the DOJ, and all they'd have to do is copy what was in the WSJ this weekend and get Holder to sign it. How hard can that be?

    2) Obama may have said that he isn't going to take any action on these things, but that certainly doesn't mean that he will take action to protect "state legal" drug use from federal law enforcement agencies that take action against the pot groups.
    Well, he certainly isn't protecting anyone. He promised a hands-off federal policy, that's exactly what he promised.

    3) If Obama does, you know that it's going to involve a big fight with the GOP and he obviously has issues that he cares about and is not going to waste his time and resources over something that's not a priority like pot legalization.
    So, he lied, and he sold us out. There, that was easy.

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    The legalization is and already has forced a showdown with the feds as far as taxation on the profits. In Ca that has been an ongoing issue because as far as the feds go even banking the money to pay any taxes on the various aspect of the industry which makes money is not legal. Two years ago in Oakland Ca (Oaksterdam) the grow shops in the city proposed three football field grow spaces each capable of producing up to and exceeding 40 lbs a day. This was just prior to the 2010 elections where Ca had full legalization on the ballot and it failed. That would have force a show down with the feds because the people and the city were perfectly willing to pay any taxes the feds wanted..but paying them or banking the money to pay them in the eyes of the feds is not legal. I'm sure with legalization in Wash and CO it's only a matter of time before people and cities apply for permits to grow other football field grow ops to support the market under full legalization..it should be fun to watch.

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