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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The majority of our reps in Congress voted for it.
    Our President signed it into law.
    The SCOTUS ruled it Constitutional.

    That's how the game is played in this country..
    We (Americans) won.
    You (greedy corporations) lost.
    The main problem with it is it didn't go far enough.........That will change & RW sour grapes won't help you.
    And yet when it starts hurting Americans by driving them into part time, you'll try to blame Republicans.
    How is it with you people that someone who wants to keep the money they earned is greedy but someone who expects everyone else to pay their bills isn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    They have spent millions on lies & their Washington shills have been trying to kill it for 5 years now .....just like their GOP predecessors tried to kill Social Security & Medicare....but they have failed.

    Prediction: Within 10 years the ACA will be just as popular & politically untouchable as Medicare & that's why the GOP is virtually hysterical in their attempts to kill it now.

    Is it perfect?..No
    Does it need to be tweaked & broadened?....Yes....& it will be.
    Will the insurance industry/GOP succeed with their efforts to put us all back at the mercy of corporate hc greed?......Hell no!
    Disagree. People with good plans who are paying high premiums to begin with can be subject to a cadillac tax. That hurts a particular group of people by punishing them for their coverage.

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    You mean, the same BIG Corporations, who are already paying for Employee Insurance??? If anything ACA will HELP the Coporations. The Unions are starting to realize this, now:

    --This will certainly help Corporations when they go up against smaller businesses, who may not have been providing healthcare for employees.
    --Corporations, in almost ALL cases, can simply pass the costs down the line to the final consumer. CONSUMER pays more. Corporation makes pretty much the same profit.
    --Corporations can hire armies of accountants, attorneys, and even a Politician or two. Not so easy for Smaller business.
    --As such, Corporations can find the loopholes, special circumstances, etc., in order to tweak the Healthcare they are currently providing for employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rorschach View Post
    You mean, the same BIG Corporations, who are already paying for Employee Insurance??? If anything ACA will HELP the Coporations. The Unions are starting to realize this, now:

    --This will certainly help Corporations when they go up against smaller businesses, who may not have been providing healthcare for employees.
    --Corporations, in almost ALL cases, can simply pass the costs down the line to the final consumer. CONSUMER pays more. Corporation makes pretty much the same profit.
    --Corporations can hire armies of accountants, attorneys, and even a Politician or two. Not so easy for Smaller business.
    --As such, Corporations can find the loopholes, special circumstances, etc., in order to tweak the Healthcare they are currently providing for employees.
    That's a great point. Corporations are better positioned to absorb the added costs of something like Obamacare than their smaller competition. Which gives them a competetive advantage.
    So who's going to be complaining when they can't find a coffee shop not named 'Starbucks'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    They have spent millions on lies & their Washington shills have been trying to kill it for 5 years now .....just like their GOP predecessors tried to kill Social Security & Medicare....but they have failed.

    Prediction: Within 10 years the ACA will be just as popular & politically untouchable as Medicare & that's why the GOP is virtually hysterical in their attempts to kill it now.

    Is it perfect?..No
    Does it need to be tweaked & broadened?....Yes....& it will be.
    Will the insurance industry/GOP succeed with their efforts to put us all back at the mercy of corporate hc greed?......Hell no!
    It all matters what form of government leadership we continue to vote in. Yes, it is very possible even Conservative or GOP administrations will be unwilling to kill it or change it dramatically. And its very possible the Insurance industry will have to take a downsizing in administering healthcare. But it will simply find other avenues in which to prosper.

    Under leadership of the Obama Progressive kind many corporations will prosper at cost to the middle and lower classes. But under some other future form of Progressive leadership, many or most corporations might actually find themselves tightly controlled, again at great cost to the middle and lower class.

    I don't think there is a Progressive form of leadership that can avoid strict central control to the point of strangling the middle class and/or the economy.
    Last edited by Telecaster; 24th July 2013 at 09:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBull View Post
    Something that cost billions to implement and hasn't done dick to achieve, as it's name so wrongly implies "affordable healthcare", is bad for everyone that pays taxes.

    Corporate America isn't getting hammered by this failure. Taxpayers are. Corporate America isn't getting fleeced, much as it might send a thrill up your leg to believe that. There's no cost that Obama can pass on to "corporate America" that "corporate America", in turn, won't simply pass right back to consumers and employees.
    Since Social Security was mentioned; it is a massive financial drain on our system. Money that was taxed for that purposed
    was blown away in the general budget. Long term obligations for SS are in the multi trillions. Can you imagine the financial
    ledger for national health care, now and down the road. Red ink as far as the eye can see. But we're only $17 trillion
    in the ditch now. By the way.....I'm quite happy with my current healthcare insurance.
    There is no way in hell Obama will make it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by septimine View Post
    Provided that mommy and daddy somehow luck into one of the few remaining full time jobs where they can get insurance at all. If not, they don't live any longer because they still don't have insurance.



    So the right side of history is to raise the cost of American labor so high that we don't make or do anything in this country? Sounds like a winner to me. I mean, who needs a job when you have Obamaphones and food stamps?
    And two years of unemployment benefits and maybe free pre school for 4 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That's a great point. Corporations are better positioned to absorb the added costs of something like Obamacare than their smaller competition. Which gives them a competetive advantage.
    So who's going to be complaining when they can't find a coffee shop not named 'Starbucks'?
    What if big corporations stop providing healthcare all together. Paying the fine is cheaper. Now millions more are uninsured.
    Exactly what they want. Move towards single payor insurance. Govt runs it ALL!!

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    A lotta them ain't hurt either. More insureds through the exchanges and Medicaid expansion means less free emergency room services and more patients for for-profit clinics..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You are simply wrong.
    The ACA is here to stay & will only be expanded over time.
    Now be a good little boy & take you bat & go home like you promised when you lost.
    Cute, have any sources? Or are you just talking about the parallel universe you live in where corporations are not going to find ways to avoid paying for gold plated healthcare benefits when they can switch to either part-time labor or Chinese labor and avoid paying anything? That's what happens with most regs -- you have a carbon tax, the company learns to put all the carbon onto a shell corporation so they don't pay the tax. Apple moves the profits around on the books TODAY to avoid taxes, but they aren't smart enough to realize that cutting 8 hours a week from every employee is going to save them from paying for huge health insurance programs?

    Come up with proof, because the evidence shows plenty.

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