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    Raise minimum wage - lower your own pay.

    I'm fine with a minimum wage. I think it's not necessary but neither is it a big problem. And the left has been harping for mimimum wage increases for as long as I've known lefties. It's like they think that a minimum wage increase will be good for them and they'd be right if they are only making minimum wage. If, however, they're making more than minimum wage, a minimum wage increase amounts to a pay decrease for everyone that's not working for minimum wage.

    I hear lefties all the time shrieking that they're getting poorer because the rich are getting richer - even though their pay isn't going down. They see it as a relative thing and, ironically, in this case they're wrong. But in the case of minimum wage rising while their wages stay the same, they should see that in this case, relativity means something because whatever they are doing just became more equal to flipping burgers than it was before. If you were making 8.25 an hour and burger flippers were making 7.25 an hour.... and minimum wage jumps to 8.25 an hour, you just became the equivalent of a burger flipper. Before, you could have paid for an hour's worth of "burger flipping" with one hour of your work and still had a buck left over. Now, it's dead even. Your buying power was reduced.

    Eventually, everything ends up adjusting. Australia keeps being brought up as a wonderful example of how a country can implement a high minimum wage...... but the fact that, as a result, you have to make a bloody fortune to live there doesn't get brought up. If you don't think ten dollar beers has anything to do with a 15 dollar minimum wage, you're not thinking things through very well.

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    Is that what they did in Australia? And every other industrialized nation on earth?

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    Wasn't the price of a Big Mac 1.32% higher in Australia? Terrible.
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    No, the rich can lower their pay, it will have 0 effect on them, they are rich. They could probably stop getting a dime more income for the rest of their lives and still be incredibly well off.
    Why the incessant need to defend the rich and their over gluttonous wealth is beyond me. The successful, good business men, entrepreneurs, they will continue to be rich, live lush lives, be rewarded for their work and success, just slightly a little less. Nobody is stopping that, but its going to do nobody good if the top few continue to get all the wealth, because for many of them, they won't have consumers left to buy their products if the trend of reduced middle class, increased poverty continues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    No, the rich can lower their pay, it will have 0 effect on them, they are rich. They could probably stop getting a dime more income for the rest of their lives and still be incredibly well off.
    Why the incessant need to defend the rich and their over gluttonous wealth is beyond me. The successful, good business men, entrepreneurs, they will continue to be rich, live lush lives, be rewarded for their work and success, just slightly a little less. Nobody is stopping that, but its going to do nobody good if the top few continue to get all the wealth, because for many of them, they won't have consumers left to buy their products if the trend of reduced middle class, increased poverty continues.
    They defend the rich because in their delusional thinking, they think they ARE part of the1% too - or have a shot at it by being a Republican. In other words - wanna bes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Is that what they did in Australia? And every other industrialized nation on earth?

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    Yep. The price of a Big Mac doesn't come close to covering the difference in the cost of living. It is actually an abberation. The cost of living in Australia is much, MUCH higher than it is here. We're talking thousands of dollars a month to rent a flat and ten dollars for a beer. 7 bucks a day for public transportation. The price of a Big Mac is a distraction from the truth here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    No, the rich can lower their pay, it will have 0 effect on them, they are rich. They could probably stop getting a dime more income for the rest of their lives and still be incredibly well off.
    Why the incessant need to defend the rich and their over gluttonous wealth is beyond me. The successful, good business men, entrepreneurs, they will continue to be rich, live lush lives, be rewarded for their work and success, just slightly a little less. Nobody is stopping that, but its going to do nobody good if the top few continue to get all the wealth, because for many of them, they won't have consumers left to buy their products if the trend of reduced middle class, increased poverty continues.
    You don't give a fuck about the rich. Frankly, I don't either. I give a fuck about what's actually just. Take from the rich and give to the poor is a nice, warm fuzzy thing that makes people feel all good about themselves for wanting the government to make that happen. The problem is that you have to ignore those pangs of conscience that come from knowing you're taking what doesn't belong to you - or you rationalize it by demonizing those rich as greedy bastards that didn't come by the money honestly, anyway, so it's just RIGHT to take those ill-gotten gains and distribute them to the people who really deserve them.... although how you rationalize that people who didn't actually earn those gains are the ones that deserve them might be a little more difficult to rationalize but somehow the lefties manage.

    SEriously, it's not about "protecting the rich and their gluttonous wealth". It's about equality. They have a right to keep what they earn every bit as much as you have a right to keep what you earn. And while I realize that progressive taxation is a necessity, we have to temper that with some serious introspection because "the rich" aren't sheep for us to fleece. They are people who have a right to their earnings and profits just like everyone else and no amount of envious demonizing them changes that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Wasn't the price of a Big Mac 1.32% higher in Australia? Terrible.
    What is the youth unemployment rate in Australia compared to the United States?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaBull View Post
    The price of a Big Mac is a distraction from the truth here.
    Well that is the typical liberal tactic, focus in myopically on the price of one item so that the value question becomes? Of course you can afford just $.06 cents per burger, can't you? Of course you can. But in reality its the Big Mac, the fries and the soda? And a little more for the car wash and the groceries. It adds up and the thing of it is, as I pointed out in the other thread, even if we assumed the Big Mac would cost $.06 more which over the volume of Big Macs sold in the US is $30 million dollars. $30 million handed over from McDonald's customers, not to the workers directly, but to the owner of the McDonald's restaurant, the franchisee. Of course this is $30 million McDonald's customers in the USA won't have to spend everywhere else and this is the point that completely eludes liberals. They just don't want to acknowledge that there is an opportunity cost, that there's no free lunch and they get away with it because the minimum wage is low enough where it only makes a marginal impact on most people's lives. Yet the impact isn't marginal in the aggregate, its aggregate impact is actually quite pernicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    What is the youth unemployment rate in Australia compared to the United States?
    Another point completely lost on them.....

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