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    leedevans

    Anglo-American Relations

    US-UK Relations:

    This is a subject very close to my heart, as I am a British citizen who is fascinated by the US, and views the bilateral relations between the US and UK to be amongst the most influential and intimate in the world.

    In this forum, please feel free to express any views you have regarding Anglo-American relations from the past days of FDR and Churchill through to modern day diplomacy between G.W. Bush and Tony Blair.

    All comments are welcome (particuarly regarding your indivudal feelings about US-UK relations).

    I look forward to hearing your opinions,
    Lee D. Evans

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    Roach

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Quote Originally Posted by leedevans View Post
    US-UK Relations:

    This is a subject very close to my heart, as I am a British citizen who is fascinated by the US, and views the bilateral relations between the US and UK to be amongst the most influential and intimate in the world.

    In this forum, please feel free to express any views you have regarding Anglo-American relations from the past days of FDR and Churchill through to modern day diplomacy between G.W. Bush and Tony Blair.

    All comments are welcome (particuarly regarding your indivudal feelings about US-UK relations).

    I look forward to hearing your opinions,
    Lee D. Evans
    This relationship has always been a raping.. with the UK on the bottom (partly quoted from British primeminister)

    ps welcome to the board, where in UK you from??

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    Magpie

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Welcome, fellow Brit.

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    leedevans

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    I am from the town of Chester, in Cheshire.

    Thank you for your kind welcome

    I think the UK has often been at the bottom, and has been torn between alligning itself with Europe or America. I think Thatcher could hold her ground with Reagan, although Blair has been submissive to Bush on many counts (much to be betterment of US-UK relations, however).

    Is important to remember that some PM's havent wanted such close relationships with America. Ted Heath shunned America on many fronts, and wanted Britain to be a leader in Europe. A grave mistake in my opinion.

    It is interesting how many Britains often find themselves much more socially accepted in American than continental Europe. A sign of affection, although one which has died in Britain over recent years. Anti-Americanism is a worrying common feeling in the UK.

    Lee

    P.S. "History is written by the Victors" - a tragically true quotation!

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    Roach

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Quote Originally Posted by leedevans View Post
    I am from the town of Chester, in Cheshire.

    Thank you for your kind welcome

    I think the UK has often been at the bottom, and has been torn between alligning itself with Europe or America. I think Thatcher could hold her ground with Reagan, although Blair has been submissive to Bush on many counts (much to be betterment of US-UK relations, however).

    Is important to remember that some PM's havent wanted such close relationships with America. Ted Heath shunned America on many fronts, and wanted Britain to be a leader in Europe. A grave mistake in my opinion.

    It is interesting how many Britains often find themselves much more socially accepted in American than continental Europe. A sign of affection, although one which has died in Britain over recent years. Anti-Americanism is a worrying common feeling in the UK.

    Lee

    P.S. "History is written by the Victors" - a tragically true quotation!
    Worrying to you

    I am anti-american in many respects. I want us to move towards closer ties with europe and away from America. The US is a loose canon right now and we have done ourselves much harm by sticking by her these last 5 years.

    May i ask why you value the tie with America so much?

    As for the "social acceptance" well i have been to both Europe and America and felt much more in touch with the people on this side of the pond than the people on the far side.

    Britian has leaned towards the politics and ideals of Europe much more in recent years and the US has moved away from our own ideals. They no longer represent what we wish to represent and we should no longer support them. America has given us reflected power in our special relationship but quite frankly we must give up dillusions of granduer, the British empire is dead and the grass is fully grown over its corpse, we must not let our vanity cloud our judgement and cause us to follow the wrong thing in the hopes of remaning an important player on the world stage.

    I would much rather be a humble country that has a good reputation and does not engage in foolish, violent and aggressive endeveours that accomplish nothing but the death of innocents than a powerful one who does the wrong thing

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    Sparta

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    I haved a new favorite brit. Welcome Lee. Eat butt roach.

  7. #7
    Roach

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    I haved a new favorite brit. Welcome Lee. Eat butt roach.
    I would but you have publically stated that you don't wipe properly ^^
    ah well.. leave me to work on him i will have him brainwashed by morning don't you worry he will be chanting the anti american slogans before you know it!!

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    Leo

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Quote Originally Posted by leedevans View Post
    I think Thatcher could hold her ground with Reagan, although Blair has been submissive to Bush on many counts (much to be betterment of US-UK relations, however).

    Is important to remember that some PM's havent wanted such close relationships with America. Ted Heath shunned America on many fronts, and wanted Britain to be a leader in Europe. A grave mistake in my opinion.

    It is interesting how many Britains often find themselves much more socially accepted in American than continental Europe. A sign of affection, although one which has died in Britain over recent years. Anti-Americanism is a worrying common feeling in the UK.
    I think I know what you mean about being made welcome in the USA. Apart from a nasty experience with immigration, that was my impression on my two visits. I liked the Americans very much and found them to be a kind and generous people.

    But if you have travelled in Canada, Australia or New Zealand, you will find the people equally welcoming and pleasant (and what is more, the latter two speak English ). It is a function of (partially) shared language, social customs, and in some cases, heritage.

    My own experience of Europe is limited, but I found Germans, Italians, Danes, Belgians, Austrians, Swedes, Norweigens and Dutchmen were both pleasant and welcoming, especially if you made some effort to speak their language. Even the Parisians were tolerably polite, if not particularly helpful.

    And at the socio/political level, we have much more in common with northern Europeans, than we have with Americans. We do not subscribe to unrestrained capitalism, and we do not believe that all history is 'more or less bunk' as did that great American icon, Henry Ford.

    Great Britain is geographically a part of Europe, and wishing we were Texans or Californians is not going to change that. I think it is natural that we should maintain cordial relations with the US, but not that we should play a role subservient to their interests.

    We have already destroyed what good name we had by means of being their deputy sheriff. We were once a fierce proud nation, let us not forget that. The betterment of UK-US relations should not take precedence over the interests of the people of the United Kingdom.

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    Freedom for All

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    The US was once a pitiful scorned colony. We try not to forget that, too.

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    Roach

    Re: Anglo-American Relations

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom for All View Post
    The US was once a pitiful scorned colony. We try not to forget that, too.
    Great... good for you....

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