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    Quote Originally Posted by Slartibartfast View Post
    If you look into the issue correctly, the separating of children started under Bush, and then continued under Obama and Trump, more so under Trump because he told the DHS to implement, much tighter, the laws as made by Congress.

    Of the 12,000 children under the care of the HHS, some 10,000 (83.33%) of the children never travelled with their parents in the first place. You physically cannot separate a child from their family if they travelled without their family.

    Of the 2,000 or so that were separated from their parents, this was due to their well being, safety and those who parents crossed illegally, thus being measured against the law set by Congress. You don't jail an American and send their kids with them.

    There's a large disparity between what the left are reporting and reality.

    So as I said, What a misguided and infactual post.
    You are WRONG. Children that came across unaccompanied under previous admistrations were not separated by the gov't so the gov't had no choice but to take custody. TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION is separating CHILDREN that come with their parents. THE TRUMP ADMISTRATION IS NOT ACTING IN THE CHILD"S BEST INTEREST. THE STATE HAS kidnapped children and is using them as ransom. You do not jail people for misdemeanours. Next time you get a parking ticket perhaps they should jail you and take away your kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You do not jail people for misdemeanours. Next time you get a parking ticket perhaps they should jail you and take away your kids.
    People go to jail for misdemeanors all the time; they are crimes. A parking ticket is not a misdemeanor, but a violation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    You are WRONG. Children that came across unaccompanied under previous admistrations were not separated by the gov't so the gov't had no choice but to take custody. TRUMP'S ADMINISTRATION is separating CHILDREN that come with their parents. THE TRUMP ADMISTRATION IS NOT ACTING IN THE CHILD"S BEST INTEREST. THE STATE HAS kidnapped children and is using them as ransom. You do not jail people for misdemeanours. Next time you get a parking ticket perhaps they should jail you and take away your kids.
    For fucks sakes, educate yourself. Why do people like you insist on being so uninformed? You are dead wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    People go to jail for misdemeanours all the time; they are crimes. A parking ticket is not a misdemeanour, but a violation.
    Thanks for the clarification but the difference between a misdemeanour and a violation in legal terms was not the point of my response. Detain violators for a few hours and put tracker ankle bracelets on them= yes= but to jail them apart from their own kids for days, weeks and even months is NUTS. JAILS should be for violent criminals or people that have destroyed property, not people that have committed misdemeanours or violation. I find it hysterical this is the same group of people that think Manafort and Flynn should be set free because they committed "process crimes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservatarian View Post

    Educate your own damn self. North Korea didn't promise shit in writing and as we debate even US intelligence agencies have confirmed that NK is amping up their Nuclear Arms program not denuclearizing it.

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/7/2/17525376/north-korea-trump-nuclear-satellite-facility"evidence from US intelligence agencies that North Korea is increasing the production of nuclear fuel at secret sites, expanding its missile capabilities, and has no intention of dismantling its nuclear arsenal."

    PS: Clinton isn't an elected official so other than offering up a distraction from the FUCK UP that is Trump who gives a shit about Clinton and what she is doing? SHE LOST GET OVER IT. TRUMP IS THE SCREW UP IN CHARGE
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Thanks for the clarification but the difference between a misdemeanour and a violation in legal terms was not the point of my response.
    It makes a difference, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    JAILS should be for violent criminals or people that have destroyed property, not people that have committed misdemeanours or violation.
    That is an issue stretching far beyond immigration issues. Note, however, that there are misdemeanors for both violence and property destruction. And jail is often a proper punishment for misdemeanors in any case. (One can only be jailed for crimes - i.e., felonies or misdemeanors - not violations.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    I find it hysterical this is the same group of people that think Manafort and Flynn should be set free because they committed "process crimes."
    Agreed. That is just nonsense partisan politics speaking - from the so-called "lock them up" law-and-order types.

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    First they take your child and arrest you. Then they take your child to another state and refuse to tell you where your child is or let you contact them. Then they ask you to sign a document asking you to choose, your child or your legal status as an asylum seeker or potential immigrant. Sounds like an episode of "Taken" to me. Or what Pablo did in Medillin and Bogota. And they think our nation is exceptional in a good way. Today I will have a good time watching the fireworks but I will not be celebrating America as it is right now. No sir, I will reflect on what it could be not what it is.
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