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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    America was founded on three documents: The Declaration of Independence; The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783, and the Constitution. These documents give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation. One does not need a law degree or a degree in history to grasp this truth. It is obvious to anyone who does not have an agenda. Let us review the documents and show this proof.

    Declaration of Independence: Click to read

    The body of the Constitution makes no reference to God. The Constitution honors the Christian Sabbath. The President was given 10 days to sign a bill into law. The counting of the 10 days does not include the Sabbath. This is found in Article 1, Section 7, and Clause 2 which in part follows:

    “If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law,”

    The Declaration has many references to God throughout the document. The most famous one is that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

    “We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”


    The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783: Click to read
    The Paris Peace Treaty was the document which formally ended the Revolution and granted the United States independence from Great Britain. In a real sense, the United States formally became a nation on September 3, 1783.
    When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treat states it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.” The concept of the holy Trinity is unique to Christianity. This statement means the United States was founded on the Christian faith. The complete Preamble follows:
    “In the name of the most holy and undivided Trinity”

    When this concept is applied to the Declaration of Independence, it is clear the reference to “All men are created equal,” was about the holy Trinity. The people of the United States are endowed by their Creator, the holy Trinity, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
    The God of the Bible is whom the United States is based upon. The unalienable rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness come from the Judeo/Christian God and no one else. He is the Rock of our Republic.
    Psalm 18:2 The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. Proof That America Was Founded As A Christian Nation | International Cops for Christ

    There you have it . Proof based on Three documents that have references to God in them. On top of that I will add one of my own. A government official swears an oath to God upon being sworn in. Where did all these references to God come from? I think you know the answers.
    Our constitution specifically "Prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion". The country may have been founded by primarily christians but they made sure it would not be a "christian" nation but a nation where you practice any religion you so choose.

    why does the use of the word god mean christian? I think just about every religion out there has it's "god" and maybe they used the word to make sure everyone knew they were NOT talking about any one in particular. If it was only christian why isn't there some reference to Jesus or christianity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RosieS View Post
    Changing to freedom for one or a handful of religions, no matter which ones, denies freedom of religion to all Americans not of that particular stripe.

    Freedom to worship how one wants; or not to as the case may be, is such a bedrock civil right that, even tho' some would fervently wish it, will not change.

    No majorities can vote away the civil rights of a non-majority. Civil rights are held individually thru mere citizenship and the tyranny of the majority is meant to be avoided by the Constitution.

    The First is every much inviolate as the Second Amendment.

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    You are talking about if theocracy is good or not, it has nothing to do with my question.

    Here is the question

    what is the basis for our stance on how the govt should operate, is it permanently tied to what the founding fathers wanted or is it based on what works best here and now?

    Further, is it permanent? Should it be? What if a new system of govt was created and a better framework than the constitution, would it be ok to leave the system you have now and adopt that new one that people like better and would rather have? OR is that just a forbidden area and there should be no discussion beyond what the founding fathers wanted, envisioned and set up as the template.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservatarian View Post
    Yeah I mean the first Congress would never approve/endorse the printing bibles much less approve of them being handed out in schools...wait...or was that the Koran...
    No that does not mean we were founded as a christian nation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kontrary View Post
    LOL Boy do you bring up a good point, I doubt they ever envisioned or intended that a black man could be president....seriously, you KNOW they just didnt....
    They probably never even spoke of it, it being such an outrageous impossibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Total ka ka. They were concerned with liberty of conscience and protecting the citizens from the kind of government oppression that led people to the new world. Put the founders in a time machine and bring them here and they would see no difference between the middle ages Catholic church and modern day progressives. People using the power of the state to violate the consciences of everyday citizens was exactly why the constitution was written the way it was. Today's progressives, who love to think of the Constitution was a living document, seem to ignore the fact that when the founders wrote the constitution, religion was the only game in town for acting like a government empowered egomaniac that thinks it knows what's best for its people. In the past hundred years, we have seen atheists (Stalin) and Cults of personality (Hitler) and modern interpretations of liberalism being used to do what people always do, seek power to dominate others.

    Wake up guys. You want the same thing some of those popes wanted, to dominate, exploit and impose your morality on others.

    That's the human condition.
    Blabbering bullshit for what purpose I do not know. We were not founded as a "christian" nation we were founded as a nation where you could practice any religion you choose. The founders made sure that if you thought christianity was a load of shit and wanted to practice something else you were free to do so. if we were founded as a "christian" nation you would not be allowed to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    But isn't. Forced charity and mandatory social spending is steeped in religious assumptions.

    You guys just want your own alt morality to be imposed.

    Same modus operandi, different dogmas.
    bullshit. I'm not sure what your "forced charity" is but that and mandatory social spending haven't a fucking thing to do with religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Total ka ka. They were concerned with liberty of conscience and protecting the citizens from the kind of government oppression that led people to the new world. Put the founders in a time machine and bring them here and they would see no difference between the middle ages Catholic church and modern day progressives. People using the power of the state to violate the consciences of everyday citizens was exactly why the constitution was written the way it was. Today's progressives, who love to think of the Constitution was a living document, seem to ignore the fact that when the founders wrote the constitution, religion was the only game in town for acting like a government empowered egomaniac that thinks it knows what's best for its people. In the past hundred years, we have seen atheists (Stalin) and Cults of personality (Hitler) and modern interpretations of liberalism being used to do what people always do, seek power to dominate others.

    Wake up guys. You want the same thing some of those popes wanted, to dominate, exploit and impose your morality on others.

    That's the human condition.
    Horse hockey.

    The founding of the colonies had NOTHING to do with liberty of conscience. It had to do with trying to establish a Puritan state (which was later rejected). Proof of this is found in the persecution of Catholics and Quakers in Massachusetts Bay colony.
    YOu fail again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
    Horse hockey.

    The founding of the colonies had NOTHING to do with liberty of conscience. It had to do with trying to establish a Puritan state (which was later rejected). Proof of this is found in the persecution of Catholics and Quakers in Massachusetts Bay colony.
    YOu fail again.
    and that is a very important point. if we decided to be a theocracy, we would descend to the same religious warring we see in the middle east today (and for hundreds of years past). is that what we want?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cicero View Post
    Horse hockey.

    The founding of the colonies had NOTHING to do with liberty of conscience. It had to do with trying to establish a Puritan state (which was later rejected). Proof of this is found in the persecution of Catholics and Quakers in Massachusetts Bay colony.
    YOu fail again.
    I call horse hockey also.
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    When the United States became a nation, it was done in the “name of the most holy and undivided Trinity.” The preamble to this Treat states it is based upon the “Holy and undivided Trinity.” The concept of the holy Trinity is unique to Christianity. This statement means the United States was founded on the Christian faith.
    Please... That's called "preamble," and has no more meaning than "In the Year of Our Lord" in in references to the date. The treaty itself consists of ten articles, none of which have anything to do with Christianity, or any other religion.

    Nice try, though.

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