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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Not quite. Actually Lenovo is a multinational corporation. They acquired IBM's computer business in 2005. They do a ton of their production in Morrisville, North Carolina where they have something like 2,500 employees. Again jobs.
    Well, okay, but it's a Chinese multinational company insofar as a multinational corporation can have a nationality. Really it doesn't much matter to me what country the headquarters is located. Toyota is a "Japanese" company, but not to the people of Georgetown KY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonehead View Post
    well, Vizio is a solid brand. got one myself. but, if you're looking for one that's made in the USA from all USA made components, you may have a problem.
    I'm not happy with Vizio... I bought one of their TVs, and the picture and sound were fine. However, it incorporated a feature in which if you waved your hand within two inches of the bottom-left corner of the display, the settings menu would pop up. If the menu wasn't used, it would drop out of sight in 2-3 seconds. I dismissed this as useless (since operating the menu required either the buttons on the TV itself, or the remote).

    But the pop-up interface didn't react only to nearby hand gestures. It also reacted to cars passing, dogs barking, or it might simply pop-up if I was watching TV, and thinking "God, it would be fucking annoying to have the pop-up interface appear right now." I searched online for a way to disable the damned thing - and the only working solutions involved cracking open the casing itself, and disconnecting wires.

    Like I said - the picture and sound were fine. No complaints. But the fact that Vizio shipped a model with such a godawful buggy feature that could not be disabled is unforgivable in my book.

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    IIRC, my '01 Honda Accord was built in the U.S. Has about 175K on it, probably good for another 125K. And it has a cassette player in it! I get play my cassettes I've had for 30 or so years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    It's 2,200 jobs. I know that you only want to count the "manufacturing" jobs because it makes you feel like you win a big point. Lenovo has 2,200 jobs and we are talking good paying jobs in North Carolina. Great, take the word MOST out of the post, will it make you happy? The point is that they employ 2,200 Americans rather than having that all in China.
    That's not what i'm talking about. Yes , there are 2200 jobs of Lenovo here in the US. pretty much EVERY foreign company doing business in the US, has an office and jobs here in the US, for sales, for R&D of local needs, requirements etc... that was always the case, and will always be the case.
    It doesn't do anything for "made in the US" though. It doesn't bring "back" any jobs that were outsourced.. and no Trump will change that either.
    And "made in the US", if available or possible to bring back, is usually coming at a higher pricetag.. and therefore is a burden for the low / middle income again.

    What I take issue with is the carelessness of your posts, and i'd like to see us reflect on that, and to actively work more towards factual conversations, than such hyperbole statements. because that's the only way we will EVER be able to have an actual dialogue and conversation, that either side can participate in and benefit from.

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    Are you willing to Buy American?

    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    It's another example of low information "perception". Someone says "they make most of their stuff in the US".. and so it becomes fact.. in their own reality. Same folks that listen to FoxNews, MSNBC, any article on the internet with a catchy and self-serving headline.. and just repeat it, without any clue if it's true or not.
    Eh... i dunno about that. They do make a lot of stuff in the US. I just meant the board of directors meets in China. Frankly it doesnt make that much difference to me where they are from. Just struck me as funny, that US companies go overseas to produce, and foreign companies come here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    I'm not happy with Vizio... I bought one of their TVs, and the picture and sound were fine. However, it incorporated a feature in which if you waved your hand within two inches of the bottom-left corner of the display, the settings menu would pop up. If the menu wasn't used, it would drop out of sight in 2-3 seconds. I dismissed this as useless (since operating the menu required either the buttons on the TV itself, or the remote).

    But the pop-up interface didn't react only to nearby hand gestures. It also reacted to cars passing, dogs barking, or it might simply pop-up if I was watching TV, and thinking "God, it would be fucking annoying to have the pop-up interface appear right now." I searched online for a way to disable the damned thing - and the only working solutions involved cracking open the casing itself, and disconnecting wires.

    Like I said - the picture and sound were fine. No complaints. But the fact that Vizio shipped a model with such a godawful buggy feature that could not be disabled is unforgivable in my book.
    I have a Vizio 55" Smart Television on my wall in the family room. It has a problem where it does this flashing thing, where word Vizio flashes Yellow/White for about 90 seconds. Other times it will have some digitization on the bottom of the screen then shut off and do the flashing logo for 90 seconds or so. If you Google you find many, many results of the same issue going back to 2011. Just an FYI. I have had this issue since January and haven't been bothered enough to replace the television. Although it really irks my 14-year-old.

    https://www.google.com/search?client...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoVsMatrix View Post
    That's not what i'm talking about. Yes , there are 2200 jobs of Lenovo here in the US. pretty much EVERY foreign company doing business in the US, has an office and jobs here in the US, for sales, for R&D of local needs, requirements etc... that was always the case, and will always be the case.
    It doesn't do anything for "made in the US" though. It doesn't bring "back" any jobs that were outsourced.. and no Trump will change that either.
    And "made in the US", if available or possible to bring back, is usually coming at a higher pricetag.. and therefore is a burden for the low / middle income again.

    What I take issue with is the carelessness of your posts, and i'd like to see us reflect on that, and to actively work more towards factual conversations, than such hyperbole statements. because that's the only way we will EVER be able to have an actual dialogue and conversation, that either side can participate in and benefit from.
    Okay great. The people in North Carolina feel differently about it than you do. The thousand people at Carrier feel differently about it than you do. But you can have the win. Attention everyone, Lenovo SUCKS. Those 2,200 jobs are really just 115 manufacturing jobs and it does nothing for our country. There do you feel better? I can post it bigger if you want.

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    As a foreigner, I do not buy often American, because not so many American products are available. It is not a problem of price, nor is it a problem of custom duties, it is more a problem of how American products are adjusted to what foreign consumers are asking for. I have often the feeling that American manufacturers are not flexible enough to adapt to foreign markets, when labor is probably cheaper in the US than in many other developed countries of Northern Europe. I am puzzled by this situation, because an American car is in the US is much cheaper than a Mercedes or an Audi. Of course other American products may be interesting but not so much manufactured ones. There is probably also a problem about quality with American products. It is a surprising situation because it would be probably possible to export more from the US but many do not see the opportunity to do so, because they are not export minded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Okay great. The people in North Carolina feel differently about it than you do. The thousand people at Carrier feel differently about it than you do. But you can have the win. Attention everyone, Lenovo SUCKS. Those 2,200 jobs are really just 115 manufacturing jobs and it does nothing for our country. There do you feel better? I can post it bigger if you want.
    Ok, adult conversations are still not your thing.. fine with me.
    I try every now and then, when you actually put out something worth to talk about.. then I realize you don't actually have an honest interest on the topic.. I can step away again, no big deal.

    c ya !

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    It's a tough one. I often look for made in the USA stuff, but sometimes it just doesn't exist.

    Also, workers at Foxconn make about $17 dollars a day, whereas workers at a similar facility in the US would expect to make close to that in an hour. Since labor cost is the largest expenditure in just about any company, that's got to translate to higher costs for goods. How do you convince someone to buy something that costs at least double what an equivalent product costs? It's a tough sell.
    The profit on an iPhone is 69%. That leaves a lot of room for an increase in labor cost, and still make a nice profit.
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