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    Don't worry, power shifts constantly.

    We call it "the build up of negatives" which basically means that when one party is in control for long enough they get more negatives attached to them and people decide to go with the other side and become more motivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Which of the protests held have gotten the proper permits.

    1. it is illegal to block interstate and other roads.
    2. it is illegal to destroy property Private or public

    oops.

    the ultimate protest.. ELECTION PROCESS.
    Did not have a protest permit-







    Did not have a protest permit-

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    True, Madeline, but it has to start some where. I am just trying to get people to admit their faults and fix them. You have to understand where you went wrong to fix it.

    We got a dusting of snow. How much do you have?
    Some things aren't worth fixing. Some times we have to be willing to tear the whole thing down and start over from scratch. The U.S. is too big and too diverse. We should have allowed the south to secede instead of forcing them to be part of a union they want to destroy.

    It will not happen in our lifetime but it is best to break the U.S. up into at least 3 different nations. California alone would be better off if they were their own country and didn't have to support all the red states that would go bankrupt without the taxpayers in California keeping them buoyant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I know I am not particularly in good graces right now, getting thanks from the other side, but
    that is not my intention.

    This concerns what many on the right call," Bleeding Heart Liberals."I truly feel the reason we are not winning elections. God knows,we should have won this one. But we have reached the point of making excuses for every wrong doing in this country with the whining phrase," But they suffered,etc.

    The average American that works every day,taking care of their families,going to work sick or well are fed up with Democratic excuses. Other wise Trump would not have won.

    And do not give me the bit about Hillary winning more votes. I know that!

    But when are you going to come out against all the protests, looting and burning? You are not solving problems by making excuses. The one in Ferguson was because a Kid attacked a Policeman in his car,trying to take his gun. I have no idea what was in the Policeman's mind.

    There are rightful reason's for Police brutality, but Democrats have embraced them all, right or wrong, making them all victims.

    You can turn your anger on me all you want, but that is not going to get us winning again.

    We have to face the fact that is not what workers of all creeds want to hear. They did not like being called deplorables. That sounds as elite as Ann Romney's," You people have got all you are going to get."

    Our party leaders have become as elite as Republicans.

    I am not posting these things to tear down my party. I am trying to help rebuild what Democrats once stood for. Quit making excuses for all you claim are victims,right or wrong. Get back to embracing, the worker or we will continue to lose.

    I am a moderate Democrat, who believes in being self sufficient. Excusing all behavior is not a winning card.

    I know Trump is one of the worst, but we helped elect him,and it is going to be a long,hard winter.
    The democratic party under obama made a cost benefit analysis and simply decided that democratic party "big tent" would be better off without the white working class that's all. It "might" have worked for them if the democratic voting base wasn't so clustered in just a few states and cities. Obama gambled and hillary lost.

    Right now it doesn't matter much as the democrats have decided it still doesn't need a bunch of deplorables in it's voter base anyway.

    Nancy Pelosi: I don?t think Democrats want a new direction | New York Post

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    A couple of points. The Democrats haven't had a majority in the HOR since 2009. So to blame them for the dysfunction in government is disingenuous at best.

    And a lot of Trump supporters are deplorable. Go read the posts at Stormfront if you don't believe me.

    As to the police thing, the media doesn't help by reporting gossip as "eyewitness accounts", which they do every time. And the police don't help themselves by continually letting minor infractions become an escalated pissing contest in black neighborhoods.

    I think over time, body cams will clear up some of the contradictory claims that come out of these incidents. Obama did that.

    He also didn't pass any new federal gun restrictions. All he ever asked for was to close the gun show/internet sales background check loophole and include people on the no fly list.

    If people are fine with laws on background checks that we currently have, why do they insist on leaving this loophole in there?

    Anyone who voted for Trump because they feel Democrats let them down need to pay closer attention to the facts and in the future hold Trump and the Republicans to the same standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    The democratic party under obama made a cost benefit analysis and simply decided that democratic party "big tent" would be better off without the white working class that's all. It "might" have worked for them if the democratic voting base wasn't so clustered in just a few states and cities. Obama gambled and hillary lost.

    Right now it doesn't matter much as the democrats have decided it still doesn't need a bunch of deplorables in it's voter base anyway.

    Nancy Pelosi: I don?t think Democrats want a new direction | New York Post
    Well this Democrat certainly doesn't think the answer is for the party to move farther right to chase the popularity of the Republican parties Part A and Part B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Did not have a protest permit-







    Did not have a protest permit-

    OMG..

    THE CA POLICE ARE SICKING DOGS ON TRUMP PROTESTERS SAY IT AIN'T SO SNOWFLAKE.
    D.D. you wonder why Hillary lost.

    My my gradfather and others were protesting people being lynched and terrorized . Not a lying politician losing an election and her lemmings not being able to accept the fact she was totally incompetent.
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    I'm sorry but for me that is wrong thinking. Initially others said Obama ignored coal country and the blue states on the rust belt but that was not accurate. Obama proposed a 3 billion for all those states and initially proposed 1 billion to retrain and help those losing jobs in dying industries. Obama proposes $1 billion lifeline for parts of Appalachia where coal jobs vanished | Lexington Herald-Leader

    No one cared. No one listened. No outrage when the Republican Congress played it with no interest in passing it.

    So now we have to pretend that all killings by cops for all black males is attacked and the dead person supported without exception and that is simply not true. Where outrage is warranted, it is warranted. When someone causes his own death by cop it is not included in the same category as someone killed because his car breaks down Tulsa police release video of officer shooting unarmed man whose car had broken down | fox8.com

    I am sorry but though I am not a democrat I see this as something different. The question isn't Democrats should change over this sick election but the question should be whether Democrat voters get their stuff together and unite behind the very important liberal social issues and future advances they have always supported. No need to buy into the republican talking points here, just be proud of what is as it has meaning. I am not impressed with the "things" or "blame" issues of splitting banks unless they have done wrong. I am not interested in plot theories or blame games. I am interested in seeing the social advances that mold our country and protect the "heart" issue advances we have always had in history continue rather than watching us now fall backwards. And yes those REAL victims mean something. The real victims who are everything those few blue states acted like they were without even bothering to fight back when republicans in Congress screwed them by playing the help Obama tried to get to them.

    If we had another viable party who ran on those historic liberal social issues they'd get my vote if Democrats walked away from caring that those who are actually suffering and dying mean something more than whiny babies playing the victim or new shiny things. I expect that from red states and accept it. Blue states? Not so much. They need to change themselves and they can start by waking up to the reality.
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    Hillary was far from incompetent. You are the one stuck with that candidate. He may be a business man, but without his Fathers fortune chances are you would have never heard it of Donald Trump.

    I do think picking Hillary because it was her turn was a problem. Buy you guys did not exactly choose the cream of the crop,either. You won by default.and Russian and Comey help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I'm sorry but for me that is wrong thinking. Initially others said Obama ignored coal country and the blue states on the rust belt but that was not accurate. Obama proposed a 3 billion for all those states and initially proposed 1 billion to retrain and help those losing jobs in dying industries. Obama proposes $1 billion lifeline for parts of Appalachia where coal jobs vanished | Lexington Herald-Leader

    No one cared. No one listened. No outrage when the Republican Congress played it with no interest in passing it.

    So now we have to pretend that all killings by cops for all black males is attacked and the dead person supported without exception and that is simply not true. Where outrage is warranted, it is warranted. When someone causes his own death by cop it is not included in the same category as someone killed because his car breaks down Tulsa police release video of officer shooting unarmed man whose car had broken down | fox8.com

    I am sorry but though I am not a democrat I see this as something different. The question isn't Democrats should change over this sick election but the question should be whether Democrat voters get their stuff together and unite behind the very important liberal social issues and future advances they have always supported. No need to buy into the republican talking points here, just be proud of what is as it has meaning. I am not impressed with the "things" or "blame" issues of splitting banks unless they have done wrong. I am not interested in plot theories or blame games. I am interested in seeing the advances continue rather than watching us now fall backwards. And yes those REAL victims mean something. The real victims who are everything those few blue states acted like they were without even bothering to fight back when republicans in Congress screwed them by playing the help Obama tried to get to them.

    If we had another viable party who ran on those historic liberal social issues they'd get my vote if Democrats walked away from caring that those who are actually suffering and dying mean something more than whiny babies playing the victim. I expect that from red states and accept it. Blue states? Not so much. They need to change themselves and they can start by waking up to the reality.
    We need a spokesman to get what Dems really are across to the voters. President Obama did that. Hillary did not, but it is no wonder,with all the right wing attacks on her,along with Trump's lies. And he does lie.

    The Russian hacking and Mitch covering up do not make things better. I am glad to see competent Republicans care enough about the country to act.

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