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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    A couple of points. The Democrats haven't had a majority in the HOR since 2009. So to blame them for the dysfunction in government is disingenuous at best.

    Anyone who voted for Trump because they feel Democrats let them down need to pay closer attention to the facts and in the future hold Trump and the Republicans to the same standards.
    After 8 years of spineless Obama, democratic voters were looking for a new party to call home. Sanders was what 90% of Americans needed whether they realize it or not. Workers need representation. It was democrat Bill Clinton who was able to convince voters that NAFTA and Wall Street were good for the working class. No republican could have fooled so many workers to vote against their own interest.

    I was OK with Hillary becoming president simply because the U.S. is so overdue on electing a woman. The more I learn about the Wikileaks email dump, the more I realize what a tool Hillary is. Hillary is an empty pantsuit who does not care about people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    After 8 years of spineless Obama, democratic voters were looking for a new party to call home. Sanders was what 90% of Americans needed whether they realize it or not. Workers need representation. It was democrat Bill Clinton who was able to convince voters that NAFTA and Wall Street were good for the working class. No republican could have fooled so many workers to vote against their own interest.

    I was OK with Hillary becoming president simply because the U.S. is so overdue on electing a woman. The more I learn about the Wikileaks email dump, the more I realize what a tool Hillary is. Hillary is an empty pantsuit who does not care about people.
    That,Sir,is a complete load of horse hockey. President Obama brought us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. He Did it without an ounce of help from those spineless, back biting Republicans in Congress. He brought us back to full employment,a Stock Market that tripled. He also tried to get us out of the two wars your guy started off budget.

    BUT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT democrats need to do.

    Since you are not one, your advice is not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    That,Sir,is a complete load of horse hockey. President Obama brought us out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. He I'd it without an ounce of help from those spineless, back biting Republicans in Congress. He brought us back to full employment,a Stock Market that tripled. He also tried to get us out of the two wars your guy started off budget.

    BUT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHAT democrats need to do.

    Since you are not one, your advice is not needed.
    I know politics and history. The American empire is coming to an end. We have too many wars and too much debt. Obama managed to keep us pacified in this jobless recovery but the entire economy is smoke and mirrors. We face a 2nd great depression in the very near future. Protest and riots are the effect. Corrupt government is the cause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    I know politics and history. The American empire is coming to an end. We have too many wars and too much debt. Obama managed to keep us pacified in this jobless recovery but the entire economy is smoke and mirrors. We face a 2nd great depression in the very near future. Protest and riots are the effect. Corrupt government is the cause.
    And the end of the world will come next Tuesday. What this country is going through now has no comparison of how hard it has been in the past.

    I look at all the intelligent young people I know and am amazed. We will survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    After 8 years of spineless Obama, democratic voters were looking for a new party to call home. Sanders was what 90% of Americans needed whether they realize it or not. Workers need representation. It was democrat Bill Clinton who was able to convince voters that NAFTA and Wall Street were good for the working class. No republican could have fooled so many workers to vote against their own interest.

    I was OK with Hillary becoming president simply because the U.S. is so overdue on electing a woman. The more I learn about the Wikileaks email dump, the more I realize what a tool Hillary is. Hillary is an empty pantsuit who does not care about people.
    And Trump is? Look at cabinet appointments!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    And the end of the world will come next Tuesday. What this country is going through now has no comparison of how hard it has been in the past.

    I look at all the intelligent young people I know and am amazed. We will survive.
    Maybe not. You believe climate change is real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    True, Madeline, but it has to start some where. I am just trying to get people to admit their faults and fix them. You have to understand where you went wrong to fix it.

    We got a dusting of snow. How much do you have?
    Just a little, but I hear the east side got hammered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
    MaryAnne,

    God loves you and I'm trying. Being self sufficient and being a Democrat is an oxymoron. The Democrats are more than half of the problem. They want a government program for every social ill that comes along and they want to take away the firearms of citizens through registration, unconstitutional background checks, and limiting the style and type of firearm one owns.

    Democrats want an all inclusive America provided it locks out those who disagree with them. Like the Republicans, they are content to build walls, not bridges. The only enemy the Democrats have is the posterity of this country's founders and supporters.

    Yeah, the Republicans have their faults. America needs a new party that understands and adheres to the Constitution. It definitely will not be found with Democrats.
    If the government cannot or should not address social ills, then what function does it legitimately serve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    And the end of the world will come next Tuesday. What this country is going through now has no comparison of how hard it has been in the past.

    I look at all the intelligent young people I know and am amazed. We will survive.
    Think how beautiful the world will be when young people have clean water and high-speed rail instead of bombs and prisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I know I am not particularly in good graces right now, getting thanks from the other side, but
    that is not my intention.

    This concerns what many on the right call," Bleeding Heart Liberals."I truly feel the reason we are not winning elections. God knows,we should have won this one. But we have reached the point of making excuses for every wrong doing in this country with the whining phrase," But they suffered,etc.

    The average American that works every day,taking care of their families,going to work sick or well are fed up with Democratic excuses. Other wise Trump would not have won.

    And do not give me the bit about Hillary winning more votes. I know that!

    But when are you going to come out against all the protests, looting and burning? You are not solving problems by making excuses. The one in Ferguson was because a Kid attacked a Policeman in his car,trying to take his gun. I have no idea what was in the Policeman's mind.

    There are rightful reason's for Police brutality, but Democrats have embraced them all, right or wrong, making them all victims.

    You can turn your anger on me all you want, but that is not going to get us winning again.

    We have to face the fact that is not what workers of all creeds want to hear. They did not like being called deplorables. That sounds as elite as Ann Romney's," You people have got all you are going to get."

    Our party leaders have become as elite as Republicans.

    I am not posting these things to tear down my party. I am trying to help rebuild what Democrats once stood for. Quit making excuses for all you claim are victims,right or wrong. Get back to embracing, the worker or we will continue to lose.

    I am a moderate Democrat, who believes in being self sufficient. Excusing all behavior is not a winning card.

    I know Trump is one of the worst, but we helped elect him,and it is going to be a long,hard winter.
    Identity politics has divided the nation. Dividing the nation and getting an idiot into the White House is all they've achieved with this strategy.

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