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    Quote Originally Posted by Humorme View Post
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    God loves you and I'm trying. Being self sufficient and being a Democrat is an oxymoron. The Democrats are more than half of the problem. They want a government program for every social ill that comes along and they want to take away the firearms of citizens through registration, unconstitutional background checks, and limiting the style and type of firearm one owns.

    Democrats want an all inclusive America provided it locks out those who disagree with them. Like the Republicans, they are content to build walls, not bridges. The only enemy the Democrats have is the posterity of this country's founders and supporters.

    Yeah, the Republicans have their faults. America needs a new party that understands and adheres to the Constitution. It definitely will not be found with Democrats.
    What silly propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    What silly propaganda.
    Well, actually this is what constitutes "silly propaganda."

    Post-ABC Tracking Poll: Clinton 47, Trump 43 on election eve

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    I do think that unlimited, forced compassion, combined with unlimited, forced charity, combined with unlimited, forced borrowing, combined with unlimited, foreign adventurism has really run its course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    since the welfare per capita is far higher in the red states you are full of shit. Far more republicans are sucking off the govt tit than democrats
    Trump and his billionaire cronies are expected to loot this country worse than Coolidge and Hoover combined.

    Nixon getting caught stealing from the treasure was bad enough.

    Reagan allowing the S&Ls, CIA drug and arms traffickers to loot this country was worse.

    Cheney/Bush junior and Obama allowing Wall Street, defense contractors, and oil companies to loot the U.S. and the Middle East was worser.

    But the looting that Trump and his cronies are about to do will go down in history as the mother of all scams. It will be huge. We will witness scandal after scandal. No one knows how this will end but it won't be good. Trump will make America bankrupt again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    I'm sorry but for me that is wrong thinking. Initially others said Obama ignored coal country and the blue states on the rust belt but that was not accurate. Obama proposed a 3 billion for all those states and initially proposed 1 billion to retrain and help those losing jobs in dying industries. Obama proposes $1 billion lifeline for parts of Appalachia where coal jobs vanished | Lexington Herald-Leader
    And this is what really needed to happen. It still needs to happen. I've talked about this so many times, and very few people paid attention. This right here, was the fail point. We should have pushed harder to make this happen.

    Pence and Trump can give tax breaks to companies to keep certain jobs around, but the cold fact is this- all it's doing is postponing the inevitable. As we've already seen in recent history, most of the companies that make these promises break them, and relatively quickly after they get their tax breaks. The jobs get lost eventually, and the workers and taxpayers are the losers. We have got to stop this and invest in our people, get them retrained and back on track in different jobs. If we don't, we're all going lose. The world is changing rapidly, and we need to help our people change with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Trump and his billionaire cronies are expected to loot this country worse than Coolidge and Hoover combined.

    Nixon getting caught stealing from the treasure was bad enough.

    Reagan allowing the S&Ls, CIA drug and arms traffickers to loot this country was worse.

    Cheney/Bush junior and Obama allowing Wall Street, defense contractors, and oil companies to loot the U.S. and the Middle East was worser.

    But the looting that Trump and his cronies are about to do will go down in history as the mother of all scams. It will be huge. We will witness scandal after scandal. No one knows how this will end but it won't be good. Trump will make America bankrupt again.
    Exactly. I keep saying, the only person Trump cares about is Trump. That is quite clear from his business dealings as well as his personal life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    It would appear you and pelosi are of the same mind then. Good luck with that.
    LOL, I'm not "assimilating."

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    Don't give you the 70 yr. olds? We just elected a 70 yr. old. And, we had a very viable candidate in Sanders who is also. I'm an issues voter and not a partisan hack. You seem to think that's what all Dems do and you don't sound at all like a moderate. These voters weren't just fed up with Democrats but with everyone in high office. But the reaction to that shouldn't have been to throw the baby out with the bath water. When big money is a determining factor as it was this time in spades, we know what's coming down the pike. Cuts cuts cuts in social programs and entitlements along with tax policy even more tilted toward the 1%. This country, both GOP and Dem have just sliced our own throat. Until the folks who just put this abomination in office see what they're getting it won't sink in. I hope that after they've gotten a taste of this cruel bastard, they vow never to be so impulsive again. Again, we Democrats didn't put this guy in the oval office and for you to suggest we somehow take credit for that is absurd. It was the GOP voters who didn't bother to vet this guy but chose to foist him upon the rest of us that were responsible. It is they who need to do some serious soul-searching, not those of us who truly care what happens to working people. These voters are not going to like what they've bought but we can't return him like a coke bottle. How dare you blame the Democratic party for this debacle.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I have already done that. But I also know encouraging all these protest have often led to rioting and looting.

    But the main problem is Democrats morphing into excusing them all and becoming the elite.

    Right now, can you name me a Democrat that can help us win.

    Do not give me the 70 year olds. We have already gone through that bit. I can name a few I would choose to lead.

    But I think Keith Ellison leading the DNC is a really bad choice. He is not experienced enough. We need some one out side Congress and there are many of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leekohler2 View Post
    Exactly. I keep saying, the only person Trump cares about is Trump. That is quite clear from his business dealings as well as his personal life.
    Which makes him different than everyone else in Washington DC how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    I know I am not particularly in good graces right now, getting thanks from the other side, but
    that is not my intention.

    This concerns what many on the right call," Bleeding Heart Liberals."I truly feel the reason we are not winning elections. God knows,we should have won this one. But we have reached the point of making excuses for every wrong doing in this country with the whining phrase," But they suffered,etc.

    The average American that works every day,taking care of their families,going to work sick or well are fed up with Democratic excuses. Other wise Trump would not have won.

    And do not give me the bit about Hillary winning more votes. I know that!

    But when are you going to come out against all the protests, looting and burning? You are not solving problems by making excuses. The one in Ferguson was because a Kid attacked a Policeman in his car,trying to take his gun. I have no idea what was in the Policeman's mind.

    There are rightful reason's for Police brutality, but Democrats have embraced them all, right or wrong, making them all victims.

    You can turn your anger on me all you want, but that is not going to get us winning again.

    We have to face the fact that is not what workers of all creeds want to hear. They did not like being called deplorables. That sounds as elite as Ann Romney's," You people have got all you are going to get."

    Our party leaders have become as elite as Republicans.

    I am not posting these things to tear down my party. I am trying to help rebuild what Democrats once stood for. Quit making excuses for all you claim are victims,right or wrong. Get back to embracing, the worker or we will continue to lose.

    I am a moderate Democrat, who believes in being self sufficient. Excusing all behavior is not a winning card.

    I know Trump is one of the worst, but we helped elect him,and it is going to be a long,hard winter.
    At least Democrats kept a semblance of their ideology. Republicans won't even have that much by the time Trump is through.

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