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    Question For All

    I know I am not particularly in good graces right now, getting thanks from the other side, but
    that is not my intention.

    This concerns what many on the right call," Bleeding Heart Liberals."I truly feel the reason we are not winning elections. God knows,we should have won this one. But we have reached the point of making excuses for every wrong doing in this country with the whining phrase," But they suffered,etc.

    The average American that works every day,taking care of their families,going to work sick or well are fed up with Democratic excuses. Other wise Trump would not have won.

    And do not give me the bit about Hillary winning more votes. I know that!

    But when are you going to come out against all the protests, looting and burning? You are not solving problems by making excuses. The one in Ferguson was because a Kid attacked a Policeman in his car,trying to take his gun. I have no idea what was in the Policeman's mind.

    There are rightful reason's for Police brutality, but Democrats have embraced them all, right or wrong, making them all victims.

    You can turn your anger on me all you want, but that is not going to get us winning again.

    We have to face the fact that is not what workers of all creeds want to hear. They did not like being called deplorables. That sounds as elite as Ann Romney's," You people have got all you are going to get."

    Our party leaders have become as elite as Republicans.

    I am not posting these things to tear down my party. I am trying to help rebuild what Democrats once stood for. Quit making excuses for all you claim are victims,right or wrong. Get back to embracing, the worker or we will continue to lose.

    I am a moderate Democrat, who believes in being self sufficient. Excusing all behavior is not a winning card.

    I know Trump is one of the worst, but we helped elect him,and it is going to be a long,hard winter.
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    The first stop on your road to redemption should be to separate lawful protest and rioting. One does not have anything to do with the other.

    I support protest. The constitution says the right of the people to assemble and ask their government to redress grievances.

    Social protest is a long held American tradition. American vets of the Revolutionary war marched and protested against Congress' proposed cutting of their benefits and pay.


    Burning a police car or looting a convenience store is not protest. Those that attempt to conflate the two are the ones that have a problem.

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    This election just keeps on giving. Now we get treated to an inside view of every voter's notions as to why Trump won.

    You are correct, MaryAnne, that the Democrats lost because they failed to energize their base. But why that happened is not a simple matter and cannot be reduced to the trope of the unworthy victim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The first stop on your road to redemption should be to separate lawful protest and rioting. One does not have anything to do with the other.

    I support protest. The constitution says the right of the people to assemble and ask their government to redress grievances.

    Social protest is a long held American tradition. American vets of the Revolutionary war marched and protested against Congress' proposed cutting of their benefits and pay.


    Burning a police car or looting a convenience store is not protest. Those that attempt to conflate the two are the ones that have a problem.
    I have already done that. But I also know encouraging all these protest have often led to rioting and looting.

    But the main problem is Democrats morphing into excusing them all and becoming the elite.

    Right now, can you name me a Democrat that can help us win.

    Do not give me the 70 year olds. We have already gone through that bit. I can name a few I would choose to lead.

    But I think Keith Ellison leading the DNC is a really bad choice. He is not experienced enough. We need some one out side Congress and there are many of those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This election just keeps on giving. Now we get treated to an inside view of every voter's notions as to why Trump won.

    You are correct, MaryAnne, that the Democrats lost because they failed to energize their base. But why that happened is not a simple matter and cannot be reduced to the trope of the unworthy victim.
    True, Madeline, but it has to start some where. I am just trying to get people to admit their faults and fix them. You have to understand where you went wrong to fix it.

    We got a dusting of snow. How much do you have?
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    MaryAnne,

    God loves you and I'm trying. Being self sufficient and being a Democrat is an oxymoron. The Democrats are more than half of the problem. They want a government program for every social ill that comes along and they want to take away the firearms of citizens through registration, unconstitutional background checks, and limiting the style and type of firearm one owns.

    Democrats want an all inclusive America provided it locks out those who disagree with them. Like the Republicans, they are content to build walls, not bridges. The only enemy the Democrats have is the posterity of this country's founders and supporters.

    Yeah, the Republicans have their faults. America needs a new party that understands and adheres to the Constitution. It definitely will not be found with Democrats.
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    I am a Democrat and do not want all that. I do think we need help for those who have fallen. A hand up to help make you self sufficient,on your own. Not a way of life for generations.

    As for background checks we do need moderate laws on guns.

    But that has nothing to do with my top post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    The first stop on your road to redemption should be to separate lawful protest and rioting. One does not have anything to do with the other.

    I support protest. The constitution says the right of the people to assemble and ask their government to redress grievances.

    Social protest is a long held American tradition. American vets of the Revolutionary war marched and protested against Congress' proposed cutting of their benefits and pay.

    Burning a police car or looting a convenience store is not protest. Those that attempt to conflate the two are the ones that have a problem.
    Which of the protests held have gotten the proper permits.

    1. it is illegal to block interstate and other roads.
    2. it is illegal to destroy property Private or public

    oops.

    the ultimate protest.. ELECTION PROCESS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Which of the protests held have gotten the proper permits.

    1. it is illegal to block interstate and other roads.
    2. it is illegal to destroy property Private or public

    oops.

    the ultimate protest.. ELECTION PROCESS.
    Not to mention,protests today solve nothing. They just allow the angry to rage. They need to waste that energy helping their neighbor's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Which of the protests held have gotten the proper permits.

    1. it is illegal to block interstate and other roads.
    2. it is illegal to destroy property Private or public

    oops.

    the ultimate protest.. ELECTION PROCESS.
    I was not for that protest,either. You lose,suck it up,try to do better.

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