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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    Becks "historian", David Barton, is the minister of education for these RWNJ history revisionists.


    Rise of a right-wing quack: Faux-historian David Barton?s shocking new influence - Salon.com
    David Barton is a truly frightening man. Along with William Lane Craig, Barton distorts history to pursue his biases. Both are students of selective revisionism where they use this supporting snippet and ignore the larger context in order to paint a picture, a picture they drew before they did a single bit of research or analysis. If you watch either of them debate true experts, they get annihilated. youtube has plenty of examples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    And, that would be your opinion, not the facts.
    No, it was quite correct.

    It seems to me and most other normal thinking historians throughout the world that the leader of the National Socialist German Workers' Party was a very racist man who was obsessed with creating a "Master Race".
    No, he believed that Germans, and other nationalities with an Aryan heritage were the Master Race. Historians truly recognise that fascism is unrelated to socialism.
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    Fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin. Both enforce a centrally planned economy, which leads to dictatorship and overall fuckery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin. Both enforce a centrally planned economy, which leads to dictatorship and overall fuckery.
    And look at what's happened, you Republicans have created the Fascist Socialist party. You haven't quite got the dictatorship piece in place yet but holy shit you have mastered the overall fuckery. Seig heil comrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPorter View Post
    And look at what's happened, you Republicans have created the Fascist Socialist party. You haven't quite got the dictatorship piece in place yet but holy shit you have mastered the overall fuckery. Seig heil comrade.
    Yeah, that's kind of an important piece, doncha think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    The lefties love to use Hitler as a an example when someone they don't like is going too far to the right for them. Hitler was a far-right tyrant in their mind. Au contraire, my friends. Hitler was actually a socialist liberal. Do you know the party he was the leader of before the Nazi party. The German Worker's Party. That sounds awfully socialist to me. In fact, the Nazi party stands for the Nationalist Socialist Party. Hmmm. It's time to own it, liberals. Hitler was one of yours. Quotes anyone?





    7 Quotes That Prove Adolf Hitler Was A Proud Socialist
    II. The Spirit of Society and of the State

    And just as our fight against the form of the capitalist economy is at the same time a fight against the spirit of this capitalist economy, which must he rooted out in its outward expression and in the heart of every individual; so our fight against the form of society and of the present state is also a life or death struggle against the SPIRIT of this society, this state : AGAINST LIBERALISM AND FALSE DEMOCRACY !

    The spirit of our National Socialist idea has to overpower the spirit of liberalism and false democracy if there is to be a third Reich at all ! Deeply rooted in organic life, we have realized that the false belief in the equality of man is the deadly threat with which liberalism destroys people and nation, culture and morals. violating the deepest levels of our being ! National thinking gnaws at the basis of life itself, destroys the blood, destroys the sacred order which is based on the distance which is created by inequality and which has nothing in common with the present social structure ! For hierarchy, of which I am speaking here, depends exclusively on the achievements of the individual for the community . We have to reject with fanatical zeal the frequent lie that people are basically equal and equal in regard to their influence in the state and their share of power ! People are unequal, they are unequal from birth, become more unequal in life and are therefore to be valued unequally in their positions m society and m the state ! But this inequality in turn has only one standard can and must have only this one standard : the achievement of the individual for society, for the nation, for the state .


    Gregor Strasser, Thoughts about the Tasks of the Future

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Strasser



    The same people that believed Hilter and Strasser's BS are believing Trump's BS

    "The whole art consists in doing this so skillfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself, since its function, like the poster, consists in attracting the attention of the crowd, and not in educating those who are already educated or who are striving after education and knowledge, its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect."

    "All propaganda must be popular and its intellectual level must be adjusted to the most limited intelligence among those it is addressed to. Consequently, the greater the mass it is intended to reach, the lower its purely intellectual level will have to be. But if, as in propaganda for sticking out a war, the aim is to influence a whole people, we must avoid excessive intellectual demands on our public, and too much caution cannot be exerted in this direction."

    "The more modest its intellectual ballast, the more exclusively it takes into consideration the emotions of the masses, the more effective it will be. And this is the best proof of the soundness or unsoundness of a propaganda campaign, and not success in pleasing a few scholars or young aesthetes."

    Mein Kampf: War Propaganda

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7639041.html


    It worked for Hitler, it worked to get Trump into the White House. Hitler led Germany to war, defeat and shame and resorted to suicide, rather than face the German people he sold a bill of goods to and failed.



    Who would have thought that the failure of America in the 21st century would come from the same sorts of people that bought into Hitler's con artistry. No, Trump is not Hitler, but he is in the White House for all the same reasons Hitler was handed power. People told they should be fed up and to blame and attack everyone and everything, but the con artists selling them the notion that they have all the answers.

    America RIP - Cause of death? Complications of ignorance, greed and con artistry. The ignorant and greedy buying into what sounded too good to be true. The same as too many Germans did in 1930/40's Germany.





    From 2015 about a 1990 interview

    4. When pressed on awkward topics—such as whether or not he regularly read Adolf Hitler’s speeches—he turns skittish and, perhaps, inventive.

    Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler’s speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.

    “Did your cousin John give you the Hitler speeches?” I asked Trump.

    Trump hesitated. “Who told you that?”

    “I don’t remember,” I said.

    “Actually, it was my friend Marty Davis from Paramount who gave me a copy of Mein Kampf, and he’s a Jew.” (“I did give him a book about Hitler,” Marty Davis said. “But it was My New Order, Hitler’s speeches, not Mein Kampf. I thought he would find it interesting. I am his friend, but I’m not Jewish.”)

    Later, Trump returned to this subject. “If I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/...-ivana-divorce



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    "........the SA functioned as a private militia used by Hitler to intimidate rivals and disrupt the meetings of competing political parties, especially those of the Social Democrats and the Communists. Also known as the "brownshirts" or "stormtroopers", the SA became notorious for their street battles with the Communists.[5] The violent confrontations between the two contributed to the destabilisation of Germany's inter-war experiment with democracy, the Weimar Republic.[6] In June 1932, one of the worst months of political violence, there were more than 400 street battles, resulting in 82 deaths."[7]

    "Hitler's appointment as chancellor, followed by the suppression of all political parties except the Nazis, did not end the violence of the stormtroopers. Deprived of Communist party meetings to disrupt, the stormtroopers would sometimes run riot in the streets after a night of drinking. They would attack passers-by, and then attack the police who were called to stop them.[8] Complaints of "overbearing and loutish" behaviour by stormtroopers became common by the middle of 1933. The Foreign Office even complained of instances where brownshirts manhandled foreign diplomats."[9]

    "Hitler's move would be to strengthen his position with the army by moving against its nemesis, the SA.[10] On July 6, 1933, at a gathering of high-ranking Nazi officials, Hitler declared the success of the National Socialist, or Nazi, brown revolution. Now that the NSDAP had seized the reins of power in Germany, he said, it was time to consolidate its control. Hitler told the gathered officials, "The stream of revolution has been undammed, but it must be channeled into the secure bed of evolution."[11]

    "Hitler's speech signaled his intention to rein in the SA, whose ranks had grown rapidly in the early 1930s. This would not prove to be simple, however, as the SA made up a large part of Nazism's most devoted followers. The SA traced its dramatic rise in numbers in part to the onset of the Great Depression, when many German citizens lost both their jobs and their faith in traditional institutions. While Nazism was not exclusively – or even primarily – a working class phenomenon, the SA fulfilled the yearning of many unemployed workers for class solidarity and nationalist fervor.[h] Many stormtroopers believed in the socialist promise of National Socialism and expected the Nazi regime to take more radical economic action, such as breaking up the vast landed estates of the aristocracy. When the Nazi regime did not take such steps, those who had expected an economic as well as a political revolution were disillusioned".[i]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

    Note what Hitler did to those who did not kow tow to him AND even to those who helped him gain the position of power. Power he then used to do away with democracy and declare himself Führer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Fascism and socialism are two sides of the same coin. Both enforce a centrally planned economy, which leads to dictatorship and overall fuckery.
    Utter bullshit. You have been shown otherwise so why do you continue to embrace the lie? Fascism or Totalitarianism has no relationship with socialism. Sorry to spoil your fantasy there, but historians know otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blues63 View Post
    Utter bullshit. You have been shown otherwise so why do you continue to embrace the lie? Fascism or Totalitarianism has no relationship with socialism. Sorry to spoil your fantasy there, but historians know otherwise.
    No, you're playing a semantics game while I'm seeing the end result of both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    Yeah, that's kind of an important piece, doncha think?
    You're working on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    No, you're playing a semantics game while I'm seeing the end result of both.
    Absurd nonsense. Your belief system is merely your choice and has no relationship with reality, but keep your blinkers on if boosts your self esteem. Historians know otherwise, but apparently populist fashion trumps authentic knowledge these days.
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