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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    Meh. It doesn't matter. I think most have moved on. Nationally, America is still not leaning progressive and has never voted progressive. If anything, (thanks in part to how the election got gamed,) this country seems to have moved further right. Great. Just what we need...more suffering. This time we may have gone too far to easily recover in even a decade.

    Bernie is just another candidate that lost.
    So is Hillary, much to our regret.

    It is time to move on,young blood. That is what I want to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I disagree. Nader never ran for the Democratic nomination, but instead ran as a left party in the general election who siphoned votes from Gore. Sanders ran for the Democratic nomination and not as a third party in the general election. The third (and fourth) parties in the general election 2016 were Stein (Green) and Johnson (Libertarian), and I do not believe (I have not checked) either one had enough votes to make a difference in any state. Contrast Nader in 2000, who had enough votes to have swung Florida and New Hampshire from Gore to Bush.
    That is all correct but it is the divide or split in the party that is identical. Both parties do this to themselves after a string of wins whether it is a Nader, a Bernie or a Tea Party. It usually results in a presidential loss. The party with the temporary division has to learn this every decade.

    There was some divided thought on the Nader impact back then. Not sure that is the case now but as always it depends on what anyone reads online.
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    Not sure if anyone saw this but Bernie's organization has set up a new PAC to primary democrats that aren't progressive enough or ones that don't resist Trump. Cute name Wewillreplaceyou.org lol

    "A new progressive Political Action Committee plans to recruit and fund primary opponents to Democratic members of Congress that it feels are not aggressive enough in fighting President Donald Trump. WeWillReplaceYou.org was formed by a group of progressive activists with backgrounds in the Bernie Sanders campaign, the environmental movement, the Black Lives Matter movement, and the DREAMer movement of young undocumented immigrants. It's a project of #AllofUs, a new millennial progressive organization that has protested Democratic members of the Senate, urging them to draw a harder line against Trump's cabinet nominees and policy agenda.

    New Liberal PAC Targets Democrats for Primaries - NBC News

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    Keep in mind Bernie has been trying to help reform the Dems for a while now, despite themselves... I think he believes in using an established structure as the best means to counter the right....

    From last year:

    At What Point Does Bernie Sanders Submit to the Power Structure?
    Apr. 7, 2016
    By Thom Hartmann

    Bernie's said from the get-go that he wants to focus on the issues, and he's re-iterated that in recent days, but this new tactic from the Clinton campaign has left him with little choice but to fight back.

    Jack Forbes, a Professor of Native American Studies and author of the book "Columbus and other cannibals", once told me about the Native American concept of "wetiko".

    I forget which tribe or community the concept comes from, but it's basically the idea of one life force consuming another, it literally translates to "cannibal", the way that Columbus conquered and destroyed the Taino indians to increase Spanish power at the expense of an entire civilization.

    Professor Forbes explained that when Native Americans were confronted by Europeans who were willing to eradicate the Native population to steal their land, they had basically three courses of action.

    They could run and hide, which many did; they could stand their ground and be killed which many also did; or they could fight back.

    The problem is, as soon as they fought back, they became their enemies, and as soon as they became their enemies by using their enemy's tactics, they lost, by destroying the concept of unity that pervades "Old Culture" worldviews.

    The Clinton tactic of "disqualify, defeat, and unify later" is nothing more than wetiko come to the Democratic Party.

    Bernie Sanders may have had no other real choice but to fight, but this is dangerous territory for everyone involved.

    The problem with wetiko is that no one wins, and neither side is going to be able to "unify later" if the nomination is won through personal attacks and dirty politics.

    It's time for the Democrats to get off each other's backs, and get back to the real issues facing Americans.



    At What Point Does Bernie Sanders Submit to the Power Structure? | Thom Hartmann


    I wholeheartedly agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    And I gave Bernie credit for trying. My problem has always been the Republicans,who,all of a sudden became huge Berniebots. Calling Hillary all kinds of names,lying about her,pretending to be for Bernie. I have seen that too oten at the Polls,and in real life,not to know it when I see it.

    Now,those same people are trying to tell us how to heal the Democratic Party. No,thank you!
    I have to think that might have ruffled a few feathers, calling some of the Bernie supporters "republicans." The ones that walked out at the DNC convention were certainly not republicans. It probably angered quite a few of them since they are polar opposites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I disagree. Nader never ran for the Democratic nomination, but instead ran as a left party in the general election who siphoned votes from Gore. Sanders ran for the Democratic nomination and not as a third party in the general election. The third (and fourth) parties in the general election 2016 were Stein (Green) and Johnson (Libertarian), and I do not believe (I have not checked) either one had enough votes to make a difference in any state. Contrast Nader in 2000, who had enough votes to have swung Florida and New Hampshire from Gore to Bush.
    Stein and Johnson each got enough votes to swing the election in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Assumptions naturally have to be made about where the votes would have gone had they not gone to Stein or Johnson. There were probably a lot of Republicans voting for Johnson, and probably a lot of #NeverAnyMainstreamParty in the Stein vote. So where would those votes have gone had Johnson and Stein not been on the ballot.

    It's sad that it ever was allowed to get that close in the Blue Wall states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    That is all correct but it is the divide or split in the party that is identical. Both parties do this to themselves after a string of wins whether it is a Nader, a Bernie or a Tea Party. It usually results in a presidential loss. The party with the temporary division has to learn this every decade.
    Also just saw this morning that 2 former DNC chairmen have thrown their support behind Pete Buttigieg for new DNC chair as to avoid more chaos since the media is putting Tom Perez vs Keith Ellison as another "Hillary vs. Bernie" rematch.

    Two Former DNC Chairs Back Underdog Buttigieg in Party Leadership Race - NBC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Stein and Johnson each got enough votes to swing the election in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Assumptions naturally have to be made about where the votes would have gone had they not gone to Stein or Johnson. There were probably a lot of Republicans voting for Johnson, and probably a lot of #NeverAnyMainstreamParty in the Stein vote. So where would those votes have gone had Johnson and Stein not been on the ballot.

    It's sad that it ever was allowed to get that close in the Blue Wall states.

    P.s., Johnson also got enough votes to swing Florida. Stein didn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minotaur View Post
    But MaryAnne is more correct than not. It was just a bad time and now we live with the results. People will come together unless they are into pain like what the next 4 years has to offer everyone. Bernie is just another Nader who created the same results. In Bernie's defense he tried to make his supporters focus on voting Hillary to stop Trump and most of his supporters listened. Unfortunately a few rust belt states didn't listen to him at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Not sure if anyone saw this but Bernie's organization has set up a new PAC to primary democrats that aren't progressive enough or ones that don't resist Trump. Cute name Wewillreplaceyou.org lol

    "A new progressive Political Action Committee plans to recruit and fund primary opponents to Democratic members of Congress that it feels are not aggressive enough in fighting President Donald Trump. WeWillReplaceYou.org was formed by a group of progressive activists with backgrounds in the Bernie Sanders campaign, the environmental movement, the Black Lives Matter movement, and the DREAMer movement of young undocumented immigrants. It's a project of #AllofUs, a new millennial progressive organization that has protested Democratic members of the Senate, urging them to draw a harder line against Trump's cabinet nominees and policy agenda.

    New Liberal PAC Targets Democrats for Primaries - NBC News
    I heard about the PAC this morning but nothing about Bernie.

    The Ad is telling Democrats to fight Trump,or they would find some one who does.

    I doubt very much any Democrat is going to jump in and help Trump.

    Even Republicans are falling away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Also just saw this morning that 2 former DNC chairmen have thrown their support behind Pete Buttigieg for new DNC chair as to avoid more chaos since the media is putting Tom Perez vs Keith Ellison as another "Hillary vs. Bernie" rematch.

    Two Former DNC Chairs Back Underdog Buttigieg in Party Leadership Race - NBC News
    I am just checking Pete out, but from what I have seen so far,he sounds good to me. A truly fresh face.

    Now,how about you working on the stunted old men in your party? The women in the party seem to be deserting them and Trump.

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