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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You need to go sit in a corner and be quiet while the people who shrunk your party decide what to do next. (I keed, I keed, you know I keed, but some of your fellow Democrats aren't kidding.)
    Actually makes me feel a bit sad to be honest. After growing frustrated with the GOP and unregistering as one, I looked forward to a more opening party that would welcome my input. But no, not any better than the GOP telling newcomers to go sit in the corner and let the elders run the party. Sigh..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You need to go sit in a corner and be quiet while the people who shrunk your party decide what to do next. (I keed, I keed, you know I keed, but some of your fellow Democrats aren't kidding.)
    The times, they are a changing. Either we change with them, or become irrelevant.
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    College kids here were huge Sanders supporters and many didn't vote at all in November. Others wrote in Bernie as he got over 4000 write ins here. Clinton still managed to win the state but it was mostly older, white voters. Millenials also aren't affiliated with a party and are the largest group of independents. They don't just vote based on a letter after a name.

    Poll: Half of millennials independent - POLITICO
    Sanders NH write-in winner in presidential election with 4,493 votes
    I know several old ladies who also wrote in Sanders.

    Millennials, 31% of the voting age population, came out for Obama, so they will vote, if they have something to vote for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Actually makes me feel a bit sad to be honest. After growing frustrated with the GOP and unregistering as one, I looked forward to a more opening party that would welcome my input. But no, not any better than the GOP telling newcomers to go sit in the corner and let the elders run the party. Sigh..
    And Labrea did all the "right" things. Including voting for Clinton when her preferred nominee lost.

    But still she's told to stifle by people whose preferred candidate was so bad she lost to Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Actually makes me feel a bit sad to be honest. After growing frustrated with the GOP and unregistering as one, I looked forward to a more opening party that would welcome my input. But no, not any better than the GOP telling newcomers to go sit in the corner and let the elders run the party. Sigh..
    Ditto!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    You're not welcome.

    25% of the country call themselves Democrats, and that's still too many. Democrats still need to weed out their troublemakers, donchaknow. New applications are not welcome.

    2017 Jan 4-8
    Republicans 28%
    Independents 44%
    Democrats 25%

    Party Affiliation | Gallup Historical Trends
    I am thinking its possible there is something wrong. In 2008 when I supported Obama as a registered republican, every single democrat I knew was thrilled and supportive. Last year when I mention my kids wanted me to consider Sanders, I got "Berniebot!" "ruining the party" etc. Whats with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    I know several old ladies who also wrote in Sanders.

    Millennials, 31% of the voting age population, came out for Obama, so they will vote, if they have something to vote for.
    They also will volunteer and help raise money. Fabulous workers any candidate would dream of having behind them. Ignore them at your own peril as they now outnumber boomers.

    Millennials Outnumber Baby Boomers and Are Far More Diverse
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    And Labrea did all the "right" things. Including voting for Clinton when her preferred nominee lost.

    But still she's told to stifle by people whose preferred candidate was so bad she lost to Trump.
    I get that if someone is a member of a registered party. Party members have loyalties and certain obligations to an extent. But for those that aren't affiliated with a party or first time voters, they don't have that. I know a Vietnam vet who hasn't voted since the 70s when he had lost hope. He excitedly voted for Bernie in the primary but sat out the general. He just didn't feel it. Felt it was more of the same. Both parties are going to have to figure out how to deal with bringing in new voters or dealing with the growing numbers of independents. Trump is going to mess it up temporarily because people on all sides are going to want him gone but then what? That's when its going to become apparent which party can manage to get supporters on board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Know what? Your party is also my party, and Bernie "speaks" for me.
    Sanders speaks for the party. The corporate dems are done, finished. If they fight the new direction of the party then they lose again in 2018 and 2020. A lot of corporate dems will be primaried in the next 2 elections or until we get rid of all the fake democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I get that if someone is a member of a registered party. Party members have loyalties and certain obligations to an extent. But for those that aren't affiliated with a party or first time voters, they don't have that. I know a Vietnam vet who hasn't voted since the 70s when he had lost hope. He excitedly voted for Bernie in the primary but sat out the general. He just didn't feel it. Felt it was more of the same. Both parties are going to have to figure out how to deal with bringing in new voters or dealing with the growing numbers of independents. Trump is going to mess it up temporarily because people on all sides are going to want him gone but then what? That's when its going to become apparent which party can manage to get supporters on board.
    Polls actually did have Bernie beating Trump. Perhaps it was Independents who out number either party that accounted for that.

    Bernie Sanders says he polls better against Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton does | PolitiFact

    Seems like the first task is to not drive people away.

    Democrats need to give up this ideological purity stuff, and learn to compromise with, and support each other.
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